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Kenosha video footage #6982157
09/03/20 09:03 PM
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wildflights Offline OP
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More Kenosha video. Dumpster fire that started the shooting is from 3 minute mark to 5 minutes.

Looks like the old guy with the fire extinguisher lived in the clip before that.



Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. -Gustav Mahler
Re: Kenosha video footage [Re: wildflights] #6982166
09/03/20 09:16 PM
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What is wrong with these people!!


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Re: Kenosha video footage [Re: wildflights] #6982170
09/03/20 09:21 PM
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The dumb broad in the background trying to justifying the old guy getting knocked out.....

Re: Kenosha video footage [Re: wildflights] #6982178
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I don’t see how anyone could defend those animals.


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Re: Kenosha video footage [Re: wildflights] #6982193
09/03/20 10:17 PM
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Mostly kids that have never experienced the wrath their bad actions can bring upon them.... it is a disgrace that this is encouraged in our country for an anticipated political gain. The politicians allowing this should be strung up.


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Re: Kenosha video footage [Re: wildflights] #6982195
09/03/20 10:28 PM
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I should keep shut but that's not like me.
3 idiots got shot but it looks like there were plenty more askin for it.


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Re: Kenosha video footage [Re: wildflights] #6982201
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Why is nobody there defending their property, that really perplexes me?


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Re: Kenosha video footage [Re: waggler] #6982209
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Originally Posted by waggler
Why is nobody there defending their property, that really perplexes me?


Wisconsin looks a lot like Washington. Defending your property would bring prosecution that would likely bankrupt you. There is little doubt that charges would be filed here even if you were defending yourself let alone your livelihood/property.


Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. -Gustav Mahler
Re: Kenosha video footage [Re: wildflights] #6982214
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Re: Kenosha video footage [Re: grisseldog] #6982227
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I really would love to see them all get mowed down and stack up like cord wood in every city that has this going on. If they mow down enough of them in enough city's I bet this crap will stop. They are animals not humans.


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Re: Kenosha video footage [Re: wildflights] #6982238
09/04/20 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by wildflights
Originally Posted by waggler
Why is nobody there defending their property, that really perplexes me?


Wisconsin looks a lot like Washington. Defending your property would bring prosecution that would likely bankrupt you. There is little doubt that charges would be filed here even if you were defending yourself let alone your livelihood/property.


I expect the business owners and residents expect the American taxpayers to pay the repair bill and other losses. People need to, should be allowed to and even be encouraged to, protect their own property from the democrats who are rioting and looting.

Keith

Re: Kenosha video footage [Re: KeithC] #6982245
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Originally Posted by KeithC

I expect the business owners and residents expect the American taxpayers to pay the repair bill and other losses. People need to, should be allowed to and even be encouraged to, protect their own property from the democrats who are rioting and looting.

Keith


That is a questionable guess at best. I am a business owner in an urban area. We have seen protests that resulted in vandalism nearby. Insurance does not cover riot damage and I would have little expectation that the state, much less the Federal Government would pay me for such losses.

While I could spend nights in the shop protecting the property, I have little doubt about how the local municipality would handle it. In the end it makes little difference if you lose your business assets due to a fire set by rioters or through financial ruin being drug through the courts. I've thought about it and I don't see how standing guard is a prudent choice to make in Washington.


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Re: Kenosha video footage [Re: wildflights] #6982246
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This happens because the "protesters" are getting political approval from the democrats and the media.

Without this approval they would not exist. All that has to happen is Democrats and the media condemn and demand that the law is enforced and it would stop. But they don't so you get what you see now.


The Democrats in cities for years have allowed antifa and blm to do what they want with no worry about law.

The media and BLM has repeated lied about nearly everyone of these supposedly abuses by the police.

Anyone that believes what comes out of the media after its repeated lying to the America is a fool.


Somehow once the facts are finally figured out a couple of days after they always are the opposite of what is initially portrayed.

Jacob Blake stole the keys from the woman who owned the vehicle after sexually assaulting her. He was armed with a knife, not just your ordinary kitchen knife mind you but a knife with finger grips similar to what is seen on brass knuckles.

The 3 kids in the car were not under his custody. If he drove off with the vehicle (auto theft) he would of been kidnapping the 3 kids.

In the end the shooting by the police was a good shoot and Kyle Rittenhouses shooting was self defense and he will get off on ALL charges despite what the media told you.

Re: Kenosha video footage [Re: wildflights] #6982249
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Originally Posted by wildflights
Originally Posted by KeithC

I expect the business owners and residents expect the American taxpayers to pay the repair bill and other losses. People need to, should be allowed to and even be encouraged to, protect their own property from the democrats who are rioting and looting.

Keith


That is a questionable guess at best. I am a business owner in an urban area. We have seen protests that resulted in vandalism nearby. Insurance does not cover riot damage and I would have little expectation that the state, much less the Federal Government would pay me for such losses.

While I could spend nights in the shop protecting the property, I have little doubt about how the local municipality would handle it. In the end it makes little difference if you lose your business assets due to a fire set by rioters or through financial ruin being drug through the courts. I've thought about it and I don't see how standing guard is a prudent choice to make in Washington.



I guessed that because hordes of liberal mayors and governors are asking for Federal money to rebuild the cities they let the young democrats destroy.

So what do you do? Do you just start again, with nothing, after everything you've worked for is destroyed? How can you stand to let them take almost everything from you?

Keith

Re: Kenosha video footage [Re: wildflights] #6982267
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? for you Wisconsonites, do you all have a castle doctrine, stand your ground? Would the gentleman with the fire extinguisher in the video been legally justified to shoot the thugs running out of his business?


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Re: Kenosha video footage [Re: KeithC] #6982439
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Originally Posted by Scout1
? for you Wisconsonites, do you all have a castle doctrine, stand your ground? Would the gentleman with the fire extinguisher in the video been legally justified to shoot the thugs running out of his business?

No, at least not in Washington to shooting looters running out of a business.

Originally Posted by KeithC


I guessed that because hordes of liberal mayors and governors are asking for Federal money to rebuild the cities they let the young democrats destroy.

So what do you do? Do you just start again, with nothing, after everything you've worked for is destroyed? How can you stand to let them take almost everything from you?

Keith


We have those mayors here and our governor is at the top of the list for D-bag (Democrat) riot enablers. I would add that our state Attorney General and local prosecutors are also a huge concern. The AG has been instrumental in pursuing charges against people for their political and religious beliefs. Charges that have brought financial ruin.
Defending property here will bring financial ruin and likely incarceration in Washington. Defending your own life is almost as likely to incur the same.
I'll defend life and family at such risk. I won't defend business assets at such peril.

Note the old guy with the fire extinguisher in the posted video. That guy is letting his emotions rule his actions. While understandable his line of attack left him exposed, vulnerable and almost left him dead. A guy has got to keep his head to navigate these issues. Think through the scenarios and keep your head on a swivel. Don't let them get behind you. OPEN SPACE FAVORS THE MOB. If you're going to defend, defend from a confined space or with your back to a wall/vehicle.

If you're caught on the road, use your vehicle. Quick acceleration and hard braking appears to be an effective maneuver to break through without causing excessive harm. Fight from the vehicle. Crack the windows open on your car, it makes them harder to break. If the vehicle is disabled all bets are off and I believe suppressive fire will likely be required to get out of the area.

Know your local laws. These people film everything. In the Kyle Rittenhouse shooting, even the last guy shot in the arm was live streaming video right up through the shooting. Kyle will be exonerated because of it. The excessive prosecution is a threat to those that oppose the mob. Know going in that they intend to prosecute/persecute if you are not BLM.

These are my own thoughts regarding the cards being dealt. If there are flaws/shortcomings with the above statements, please share.


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Re: Kenosha video footage [Re: wildflights] #6982449
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Bunch of people who have been raised playing violent video games and disparaging people on social media, both of which have no real consequences for them so they think that they can bring that behavior to the real world.....they have a rude awakening coming when they mess with the wrong people or someone actually takes the gloves off to deal with this. Just ask the wanna b bad boy from portland who is taking a dirt nap right now.


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Re: Kenosha video footage [Re: Scout1] #6982458
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Originally Posted by Scout1
? for you Wisconsonites, do you all have a castle doctrine, stand your ground? Would the gentleman with the fire extinguisher in the video been legally justified to shoot the thugs running out of his business?

Yes we do. That furniture owner had his jaw broke. I think we've all seen people hit less and have died. It didn't seem like he had a gun and his first concern was putting out the blaze hence him turning the extinguisher on the rioters.

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Originally Posted by wildflights
Originally Posted by KeithC

I expect the business owners and residents expect the American taxpayers to pay the repair bill and other losses. People need to, should be allowed to and even be encouraged to, protect their own property from the democrats who are rioting and looting.

Keith


That is a questionable guess at best. I am a business owner in an urban area. We have seen protests that resulted in vandalism nearby. Insurance does not cover riot damage and I would have little expectation that the state, much less the Federal Government would pay me for such losses.

While I could spend nights in the shop protecting the property, I have little doubt about how the local municipality would handle it. In the end it makes little difference if you lose your business assets due to a fire set by rioters or through financial ruin being drug through the courts. I've thought about it and I don't see how standing guard is a prudent choice to make in Washington.



Just about all business insurance covers damage from riots/civil unrest.




Are businesses covered for property damage from riots?

Yes, they are. Business property that has been damaged by riot, civil commotion. vandalism and fire are covered under virtually all businessowners and commercial insurance property policies. This typically includes damage to windows, doors, light fixtures, store windows and plate glass on office fronts. There is also coverage for the contents of the building such as furniture, office supplies, computers or machinery that may be either damaged or stolen.

Should a business insure its building and contents at replacement value or actual cash value?

A business may have the option to insure its business property at replacement value or actual cash value. The difference is that replacement value coverage can help a business replace its property at market prices, whereas actual cash value coverage takes depreciation into account. Replacement value coverage costs more, but it also pays out more in the event of a claim.

What about loss of income?

Businesses that are forced to suspend operations or limit hours due to rioting, vandalism or civil commotion and have coverage for the loss of income under business income insurance (also known as business interruption, or BI) do have coverage. Coverage is typically triggered if there is direct physical damage to the premises.

What if a business is unable to access its property due to a government order? If there is a curfew in place, how will that impact a business?

While insurance policies vary, typically there is business interruption coverage for civil authority orders, such as curfews (when a business has reduced hours) or when a business is unable to access its property due to a government order requiring the business to close. Such coverage nearly always requires the existence of property damage within some limited geographic radius surrounding the policyholder’s location. This often ranges from 1 to 10 miles. Typically civil authority coverage has a waiting period of 24 to 72 hours, depending on the policy, before a policyholder can begin claiming the benefits of coverage. Coverage typically lasts up to four weeks, but the time period can be extended by paying an additional premium. However, once a curfew is lifted and business can resume, coverage ceases.

Re: Kenosha video footage [Re: dustytinner] #6982478
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Originally Posted by dustytinner
What is wrong with these people!!

they don't have bullets in them or gaping exit holes


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