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Kill spring snaees-open water beaver #6984708
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Hey all, I have a potential situation where I need to traps some beaver around a dock. Water is deep, steel breakwall and 330 will not be an option. It got me thinking about snares. It also got me thinking that I want any beaver stone dead right away as the area is residential and a live swimmer on a leash would attract unwanted attention, so...
Any merit to using senneker style dispatch snares to put them lights out fast, or is that a bad idea?


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Re: Kill spring snaees-open water beaver [Re: slydogx] #6984709
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Assuming you could neck snare them, I still don't think they could get up enough momentum in the water to set the spring, maybe on a real short snare~. I'd say anchor your snare low on the dock post underwater deep as you can and get them to tangle and drown down deep out of sight. This could be PR nightmare if all things don't go as planned. Another thought, how about a foothold way up under the dock on a long deep drowning cable also under the dock?

Re: Kill spring snaees-open water beaver [Re: slydogx] #6984712
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There is no access under the dock, it has a fascia that is now deep under water because the lake is at historic high water. People built their docks when the water was 2' lower and are now paying the price LOL.
I may just skip the job if I can't figure out something stealthy and simple.
I don't have any snares experience really, because they have only been legal in water here for a long time and beaver were basically non-existent until about 5 years ago.
I do plan on using them where appropriate so I'm trying to learn.
We also just got cable restraint legal here but that's a different post entirely


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Re: Kill spring snaees-open water beaver [Re: slydogx] #6984714
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Ive never had good luck killing any beaver with snares and I'd say 95% of the jillions (pretty sure thats a big number grin) of beaver ive taken were snared. If they get one little front leg in the loop you catch them for sure but they won't be dead. They don't have much for a neck to start with and they are tougher than nails. A snare on drowner was best option I found. Got to secure the snare to get a good bite first then when they swim off they work their way down the drowner. Short snares absolutely a must on drowners, and some fairly deep water. I snared one by tail and got a good drowning on it because water was just deep enough to keep its nose under. Think length of beaver, length of snare, that has to be minimum depth of water to keep em under.
Good luck and keep us posted. Interesting challenge you have there.

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Re: Kill spring snaees-open water beaver [Re: slydogx] #6984718
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I see. Another thing to consider is beaver chew a lot and if you don't get them dead fast they maybe could do significant damage to a wooden dock, I've had live snared beavers chew down some pretty good sized trees over night. Hopefully others will have some ideas for you.

Re: Kill spring snaees-open water beaver [Re: slydogx] #6984725
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Originally Posted by slydogx
Hey all, I have a potential situation where I need to traps some beaver around a dock. Water is deep, steel breakwall and 330 will not be an option. It got me thinking about snares. It also got me thinking that I want any beaver stone dead right away as the area is residential and a live swimmer on a leash would attract unwanted attention, so...
Any merit to using senneker style dispatch snares to put them lights out fast, or is that a bad idea?


It's certainly a bad idea in Ontario unless you're wiling to use inhumane trapping methods, risk fines and losing your trapping licence.

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Re: Kill spring snaees-open water beaver [Re: slydogx] #6984727
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Check with "Lorne" on the Canadian site. He's accomplished with the floating body grip sets. Some here too but can't remember who or specific threads. Might be something in the archives.

Re: Kill spring snaees-open water beaver [Re: slydogx] #6984729
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Crit, what would be illegal with an open water snare? Have I misread the regs?
My understanding is snares are ok in water. I haven't found any language aside from the requirement for the snare to be in water.


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Re: Kill spring snaees-open water beaver [Re: slydogx] #6984730
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Originally Posted by slydogx
Crit, what would be illegal with an open water snare? Have I misread the regs?
My understanding is snares are ok in water. I haven't found any language aside from the requirement for the snare to be in water.


I just reviewed the regs after rereading your initial post and found the section on "submerged snares". Unless there's been a landmark change snares have only ever been legal under ice. If that's changed I missed any sort of announcement and I don't miss any of the publications. Maybe someone associated with the federation will see this and chime in. Boco?

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Re: Kill spring snaees-open water beaver [Re: slydogx] #6984731
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I had also assumed under ice...but then I read the applicable reg and it only said submerged. I think I'll email the MNR for clarification


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I've often thought I'd like to be able to use snares for nuisance work when you have an educated animal and no depth within the Municipalitie's ROW to set drowners. Even if it meant acquiring permission for specific circumstances and having to be prepared to dispatch at daybreak.

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Re: Kill spring snaees-open water beaver [Re: slydogx] #6984737
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I'll let you know what the CO says


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Re: Kill spring snaees-open water beaver [Re: slydogx] #6984768
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You would be wasting a good coyote snare on beaver. Any lock will work on a beav, and like said above, a shorter snare is nessesary. I'd rethink what your asking!


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Re: Kill spring snaees-open water beaver [Re: slydogx] #6984808
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Sounds like the spring is a bad idea ... I'll wait for a response from the MNR


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Re: Kill spring snaees-open water beaver [Re: slydogx] #6984812
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Originally Posted by slydogx
Sounds like the spring is a bad idea ... I'll wait for a response from the MNR


If this thread gets buried before you get a response please send me a message slydogx, I'd appreciate it.

Re: Kill spring snaees-open water beaver [Re: Crit-R-Dun] #6984826
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Originally Posted by Crit-R-Dun
Originally Posted by slydogx
Crit, what would be illegal with an open water snare? Have I misread the regs?
My understanding is snares are ok in water. I haven't found any language aside from the requirement for the snare to be in water.


I just reviewed the regs after rereading your initial post and found the section on "submerged snares". Unless there's been a landmark change snares have only ever been legal under ice. If that's changed I missed any sort of announcement and I don't miss any of the publications. Maybe someone associated with the federation will see this and chime in. Boco?

Beaver cannot be snared on land(live holding snare) here.Regs say underwater and that means on a positive drowner in open water according to the clarification I got.I use them underwater(open water) on a snare pole occasionally in drowning sets.This is always in deep water.
Of course under ice is how they are used here 99.9% of the time which is a very humane method to take beaver.
I have seen beaver snared on land in summer-they dont last long if they cant reach water,they die quickly from hyperthermia from the heat.(big struggle and dark fur=death).

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Re: Kill spring snaees-open water beaver [Re: slydogx] #6984862
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Thanks Boco. I'm getting a clarification from the CO regulation specialist this week. Never had any intent to hold live I want that critter stone dead ASAP and was just wondering if a kill spring would expedite the process.
Sounds like a positive locking snare, set to entangle deep or run down a drowner is the solution if legal


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Re: Kill spring snaees-open water beaver [Re: slydogx] #6984874
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I have neck snared several beaver with my coyote snares that had kill springs and they were still alive in the water when I checked them the following mornings. You might put the snares on a drowning slide wire with a heavy weight (30# +) on the deep end . You could attach one end to the dock and just hang the slide wire with the weight on it over the deep water if it can't be staked there.
If the snare has to be completely submerged I am not sure what kind of a set you could make there over the open deep water. Look into the float set with a 330. The beaver would be DRT and would sink out of sight. This would be my first option if legal.


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Re: Kill spring snaees-open water beaver [Re: slydogx] #6984891
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Use a rebar snare KP and be done with it.


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Re: Kill spring snaees-open water beaver [Re: slydogx] #6984983
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I am wondering, if the kill pole is also the anchor, how far should you figure on driving into the bottom? I am nervous that a critter could pump the whole thing out of the bottom.


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