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Re: AR 15 triggers? [Re: Steven 49er] #6987938
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Timney is a good trigger. I run rock river national match varmint triggers. about 100 bucks shipped and its a dang nice reliable trigger.


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Binary trigger.lol

Re: AR 15 triggers? [Re: Rat Masterson] #6987979
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Binary trigger.lol

No lol, they are fun and with a little practice can really improve times. Pull trigger, when sights are back on let off trigger, repeat as needed. smile Most people just burn a lot of ammo with them though. crazy
In the field defense makes the simplest one I have seen, but it takes some polishing to get the trigger pull down (basically a mill spec trigger with disconnects similar to a burst trigger). Franklin seems to work great, but all the extra parts and movements make me worry about reliability. Not to mention you almost need a degree to put the thing together and then play with the different spring combinations to tune it. I have not used the other brands, but they seem to have a lot of extra parts as well.
I have an ITFD trigger in an AR that I polished and installed JP springs, and got it just under 4 pound with a crisp pull. It stays on a 22lr upper, you can run through the steel plates in a hurry with this setup.
As for the op, some polishing and JP springs will cost ya around $10 and time. This is a great option if you enjoy tinkering, if not a drop in is probably the best way to go. I have seen several that worked great, most have been mentioned already. If you do go with polishing and springs, just remember the lighter hammer springs don't always like the harder primers seen in some ammo.

Re: AR 15 triggers? [Re: Steven 49er] #6988048
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I run the Larue two stage in my varmint gun and this 4.5lb single stage Patriot Ordnance trigger (Timney) on my all arounder/home defense gun.

https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/POF-AR15-AR10-4-5lb-Trigger-w-KNS-Anti-Rotation-P-p/pof-00457.htm

Re: AR 15 triggers? [Re: Steven 49er] #6988351
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What is the thought process on a two stage?


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Re: AR 15 triggers? [Re: MJM] #6988634
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Originally Posted by MJM
What is the thought process on a two stage?


I like the two stage trigger in a hunting and target scenario. I can have the safety of a 4.5lb 2stage (2lb first stage, 2.5lb second stage) when I aim at the target I can pull through the first stage of the trigger while I wait for the target to clear brush or settle the cross hairs perfectly where I want em. Then I can finish the trigger pull, a light 2.5lb pull to deliver the shot. Itís safer in my mind than walking around with a a 2.5lb single stage and I like that prep of the first stage.

Re: AR 15 triggers? [Re: K9BeavCoon] #6989194
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Originally Posted by K9BeavCoon

I like the two stage trigger in a hunting and target scenario. I can have the safety of a 4.5lb 2stage (2lb first stage, 2.5lb second stage) when I aim at the target I can pull through the first stage of the trigger while I wait for the target to clear brush or settle the cross hairs perfectly where I want em. Then I can finish the trigger pull, a light 2.5lb pull to deliver the shot. Itís safer in my mind than walking around with a a 2.5lb single stage and I like that prep of the first stage.


I guess I am still lost, what the advantage would be. So you are saying you can start pulling the trigger before you are ready to shoot? Wouldn't it be just as easy to wait for them to clear brush before you put your finger to the trigger? I guess it does not make any sense to me that it could be safer to start to pull a trigger compared to not pulling a trigger at all. I have never shot a two stage trigger, but have shot some high dollar target rifles when I was younger. I never saw a target rifle with a two stage trigger. I have often wondered why someone would think they were the way to go and still do. It seems to me they are only a thing in the AR world, is that correct? Can you get a 2 stage for a Rem 700?


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Re: AR 15 triggers? [Re: MJM] #6989206
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Mark, I know Timney makes a 2 stage for the 700, probably other manufacturers too.
Years ago some target rifles and muzzle loaders had a "set trigger" and then a very light trigger for the shot.

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Re: AR 15 triggers? [Re: Steven 49er] #6989243
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Zim, so a two stage is basically a set trigger, with one trigger rather than one to set it firing trigger? I have a muzzle loader with a set trigger. It will shoot set or un set. I just never saw the reason for a two stage I guess.


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Re: AR 15 triggers? [Re: MJM] #6989547
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https://timneytriggers.com/blog/the...ge-and-singlestage-replacement-triggers/

This is what Timney has to say on the subject. I guess a guy just has to try some triggers and see what works for you. You might say itís not safe for me to pull the trigger through the first stage, but Rule number one of Gun safety is donít point your weapon at anything youíre not willing to destroy. If I point my gun at something Iíve already assessed the situation and I know itís go time. When I pull through that first stage I think of it as drawing my bow on a deer and waiting for him to come into a shooting lane. I can always let down my bow (release the trigger). I had a 2.5lb trigger on my Ruger Super Blackhawk and when Iíd get worked up I had some unintended trigger pulls. On target, but I was not settled in. I donít have that with a two stage.

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Re: AR 15 triggers? [Re: Steven 49er] #6989709
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I never look thru all the post, will say if all your other rifles have dingle single stage stick with a single stage.

Re: AR 15 triggers? [Re: Steven 49er] #6989738
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I read what Timney has to about it and some how I could not make any sense to it. I grew up shooting small bore competition and had guys that won the Olympics small bore competition as coaches and shot their rifles. They said you were not supposed to know when the gun was going off. You start the trigger squeeze and it goes off. I have shot rifles on the range shooting targets that have very light triggers, as in ounces not pounds. I still can't see where there would be an advantage of a two stage. If you want a 2.5 lb trigger, put that in the gun and stay off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.


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Re: AR 15 triggers? [Re: MJM] #6989744
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Originally Posted by MJM
Zim, so a two stage is basically a set trigger, with one trigger rather than one to set it firing trigger? I have a muzzle loader with a set trigger. It will shoot set or un set. I just never saw the reason for a two stage I guess.



ARs can get touchy when you get under 3.5 lb s. A 2 stage makes 4.5 feel like 2.5 and requires more movement to fire than a glass breaking no creap target trigers. At first I didn't think I would like a 2 stage vs my tuned and light single stage but after some trigger time I now prefer my larue 2 stage and will buy more.

If you shoot an ar with light target trigger you will eventually get an unintentional bump fire. Now that doesn't happen and since my young kids hunt with that one in 300 blackout it's an added bonus.

You may just have to get some trigger time on several and then decide what you like. If your like me some times I find out I was wrong when I think I would really like something as well as when I think I would dislike something .

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Providence Farm I am not sure hat you consider a light target trigger, but I can a sure you I never shot a semi auto target rifle. From what you are saying you think it is an AR thing to have the bump fire with a trigger under 3.5. How is the AR different than any semi auto? I guess if you have a problem with bump fires a two stage may be a option. I have had a fair amount of trigger time in my life, on different makes and models and about the only thing I never liked was a rifle trigger that was heavier than most my shotgun triggers. You say you like the two stage better now that you have shot one some. I am trying to figure out why, what is it that makes you like it. The only thing I saw was a lack of bump fires.


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Originally Posted by MJM
Providence Farm I am not sure hat you consider a light target trigger, but I can a sure you I never shot a semi auto target rifle. From what you are saying you think it is an AR thing to have the bump fire with a trigger under 3.5. How is the AR different than any semi auto? I guess if you have a problem with bump fires a two stage may be a option. I have had a fair amount of trigger time in my life, on different makes and models and about the only thing I never liked was a rifle trigger that was heavier than most my shotgun triggers. You say you like the two stage better now that you have shot one some. I am trying to figure out why, what is it that makes you like it. The only thing I saw was a lack of bump fires.


I guess two stage triggers are for wanna-beís that want a light trigger pull but are not experienced competition shooters like yourself. Youíre mind is made up, go buy single stage.

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Originally Posted by K9BeavCoon

I guess two stage triggers are for wanna-beís that want a light trigger pull but are not experienced competition shooters like yourself. Youíre mind is made up, go buy single stage.

I am not in the market for a trigger at this point. I am sorry you are but hut that I ask why people like them. But, your answer make me wonder more than I did. If you can't tell me what you like about them, there must not be much of a reason for them.
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Most all the bolt guns at my house are around 2.5 lb no creap and break like a glass rod. 2lbs was a little light for me with cold fingers.

I like them becuse I get the feeling of shooting a 2.5 lb triger with an actual 4.5lb trigger. It's a light 2.5 lb short take up then it gets a solid wall add another 2.5 lb and it breaks like a nice crisp 2.5 lb target trigger. It does not feel like a 4.5 lb trigger at all. Just some take up a wall then crisp 2.5 lb break.

My smith refused to take AR's below 3.5 lbs now I have a crisp clean 2.5 lb feel like my other rifles once I got used to the take up its quite nice. Add in it's made of top end materials and cheaper than many sub quality triggers and I think it's a no brainer to go with the Larue.

The reduction of the suprise bump fire and safety for the kids was just a byproduct and added bonus.
I'm probably not explaining it very I wish well but I hope that helps

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Originally Posted by MJM
Originally Posted by K9BeavCoon

I guess two stage triggers are for wanna-beís that want a light trigger pull but are not experienced competition shooters like yourself. Youíre mind is made up, go buy single stage.

I am not in the market for a trigger at this point. I am sorry you are but hut that I ask why people like them. But, your answer make me wonder more than I did. If you can't tell me what you like about them, there must not be much of a reason for them.
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Not butthurt, I gave you my reasons and why they work for me. Iím just a farm kid that likes to chase critters and no experience with high end guns or competition. Your experience tells you that thereís no reason for a two stage and thatís ok.

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