One of the things I appreciate about Boss Man and his overworked & underpaid mods is that they allow a wide swath of free will on TMan. As long as it's civil of course.

Kind of like letting a coyote have a bunch of chain, so long as the stake isn't getting pumped up. Then you have to give it a thump on the head.

Every now and again, here in this fun forum of relaxation, information sharing, and funny memes, we'll read someone's comment, and it'll seem to read a bit like the major political party in America who's branding is blue.

Not an ounce of humility. No attempt at back and forth.
Just blue.

That's why I can't be blue. They don't do the back and forth thing at all. Instead, they consult with their 3 high priests, "Me, Myself, and I" to confirm;
They are blue.

I submit other colors are much more funner and make you smile more. Some frownin' blues outta give it a whirl every now and again.

Blessings y'all,
Mark

There is no Answer

Without God involved

Questions will continue....

Yes 330 perfect! It’s hard to discuss the differences without bringing up God, morals, and values.

Thankyou for all the responses, a certain veterinarian said one time “no coyote ever build a rocket ship and sent it to the moon”. I agree 100 percent. However to say an animal can not reason, cannot feel anything, has no intelligence, maybe even being without a soul might be a little short sighted.

Chimps, apes, raven, wolves, marine mammals, elephants have all shown quite a bit of intelligence and iam sure they do have reasoning in their heads. To say animals run entirely off instincts I don’t know about that.
There is more than one great ape talking with American Sign Language to humans.

Anyhow the forestry industry is destroying our traplines so they can sell their 2x4s for 10$ each and I can’t get 20$ for a marten or a lynx pelt. Shameful and I hate to say it but for the coffee money they pay for these skins I just can’t justify it anymore.

Animals can be trained. They are programed to stay alive and procreate. Whatever it takes to do that they will adjust to. They will not come up with ways to make it easier, like packaging and refrigeration.

There are more trees on the planet now than 35 years ago. Might not be where YOU want them but they are there.

Animals will not stop procreating even if it means starvation. Before that they will be a nuisance and their mere existence will be more valuable than their fur.

Animals definitely have no ability to "reason".Proven fact.They do not have the ability to engage in metacognition like humans.(they cannot have thoughts about thoughts).
If they did they would be able to open a trap or untangle a snare.
Making signs to get a bannana is not reasoning.It is a learned behaviour.

People do project those characteristics onto critters when it happens accidentally though.

Such as a coon pushing levers on a base plated, center swiveled foot hold and escaping. It happened without reason.

Good discussion. I contend that its MB750s that make human animals different from other animals. And beer.

Jack

In the spirit of darwinism being divine, Walt Disney animated animals into humans and humans into animals.
Hasn't this been immensely helpful in filling in those gaps of fact on the evolutionary tree.
I saw it on the TV = emotional truth (small T).

Coincidence how the main pagan god Asherah, wife of El, the supreme god (over all other gods), had a symbol of an evergreen tree (or tree in general), that so many of the nations bowed to throughout history.

I see that same tree icon logo displayed during the Disney film credits now-a-days.
That's weird.
Not.

Blessings,
Mark

They may not be able to untangle snares but they're should good at avoiding mine.

They may not be able to untangle snares but they're should good at avoiding mine. cry
Now that must be the difference in eastern yotes and western daugs.

humans are way more instinctual than most care to admit . there are a host of compulsive behaviors that we humans express . Most all of the behaviour we consider compulsive is also expressed in the animal kingdom . Bisexuality , gender disforia ,hoarding , stealing , racism , infanticide , addiction , gluttony , nepotism , blood lust , the need to destroy competitors , the need to build , the need to be excessively clean or organised , the need to be in the middle of the action I could go on and on .we inject a little reason into our compulsions and think reason is why we do things

racism and nepotism in the animal kingdom? Wouldn't want to be a visible minority and unrelated to anyone when applying for a promotion in the ol' wolf pack.

I hope you'll still say howdy to those of us who don't agree with any of ^^^^^^.

I found this pretty neat. lol



It may be compulsion to destroy competition that motivates one to seek a faster car but it’s reasoning that builds it.

One main difference is that animals do not feel sorry for themselves as many people do.

Thanks HobbieTrapper,

I chalked neet up to a spelling gaff. I didn't realize it was an acronym.
It's tricky to keep up with the invention of new acronyms these days.
Wonder if animals come up with acronyms?

Disney would say yes. Perhaps > LAST = Look At the Silly Trapper or > WIFD = What Is this Fisherman Doing?
Animals prolly say stuff like this all the time and we just don't have the intelligence (like they have) to be able to understand.

Blessings,
Mark

Animals have a degree of selfishness we do not. Eternal vigilance is the price of life in the wild. There is no room for abstract thought. There is no good greater than themselves. It is demonstrated daily in their behavior. There is no suicide in the animal kingdom, they can’t even fathom it. The thought of death is abstract.

How about the fact that you asked question do animals do that?

the compulsion to gamg up on those that talk a little funny