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Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: PAskinner] #6991077
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Originally Posted by PAskinner
One of our dogs is so "smart" she thinks I'm a different person everytime I smell different. Likes me one minute and hates me when I come back in the door the next. I really would like to know what goes on in her brain. Maybe she's just scizophrentic?

Sounds like an ex-girlfriend!

I think animals can reason, much like humans. Some better than others. Surroundings can also play a huge factor. My grandfathers collie would go out every evening w/o being told to get the cattle for milking. She knew when there was a problem and would come and get someone right off. She was also a great babysitter with us kids and always got between us and any equipment that my be operating in the yard. My grandfather was too busy on the farm to do much training with her but yet she knew what her job was and what had to be done. I see too many examples of animals reasoning not to believe they can't. Maybe not to our degree but they can still reason.


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Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: nate] #6991081
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Going to guess lab or golden retriever or similar breed, once in awhile those breeds will just show up with something of yours and hand it to you, socks, underwear, hat, they are bred to retrieve stuff that is their owners and bring it back. If I had to guess it was a trait that they gained from wolves submitting to the Alpha and bringing him food etc to keep from getting mauled.

Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: nate] #6991095
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With threads like this next thing you know someones going to allude to the fact that animals and people are the same.

Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: Rat Masterson] #6991097
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
With threads like this next thing you know someones going to allude to the fact that animals and people are the same.


Not until they drive a taxi in nyc for 6 months.



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Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: nate] #6991130
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My exwife had a little mare I planned on never liking but she turned out to be super cowey and too smart for her own good so she eventually won me over. I had built a slam latch for the little place we kept her behind the house out of a horse shoe and I was proud of it- the only problem was that if you didn't slam it, it might fail to latch.

One morning I went out to feed at dawn and the gate was wide open- thankfully the little saddle mare was still in waiting for me by the bunk. I remember thinking- well the little numb skull never went anywhere but sign said otherwise. For laughs I drove around a little bit and noticed fresh grazing and piles spread out over several miles. She had visited every set of horses she could find during the night but decided no matter how much green grass she had taken in she wasn't gonna be late for a little flake of alfalfa or some rolled oats!

In my mind, it was a contentious decision she made and shows more reasoning than most.
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Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: nate] #6991146
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Originally Posted by nate
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Lots of campers come trough here maybe left it on there bumper fender ect.? When I said pound bag it was partial bag. If that helps.

I was just "reasoning". smile

Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: nate] #6991156
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Had a border collie that figured out that if he rushed the cat at the right moment when a car was coming, the cat would bolt and get hit by the car... daughter went through a pile of cats...
I never would have believed the dog was the culprit, until I spotted him planning the deed, car missed the cat by inches but the dogs plan was sound.
If thats not reasoning, I don't know what is, but that dog was smarter then a lot of people., lol

Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: nate] #6991159
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Border collies are smarter than most of my friends- don't ever put anything past them LOL


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Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: nate] #6991160
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Some of the most intelligent animals I know of are starlings. They seem to have the ability to reason and to communicate thoughts.

Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: nate] #6991161
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It happened and he remembered, that isnít the same as ďThat car is coming, if I chase that cat he might run and get killed by that car.Ē



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Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6991171
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
It happened and he remembered, that isnít the same as ďThat car is coming, if I chase that cat he might run and get killed by that car.Ē


Did you miss the part about how his daughter went through a "pile" of cats? We might hang the jury you and I b/c I say that eventually at some point, it was premeditated!


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Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: Rat Masterson] #6991182
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
With threads like this next thing you know someones going to allude to the fact that animals and people are the same.


Bingo Rat. The teaching that given enough time, all amoebas would turn into humans, has sunk its tentacles to our culture's core.

We're just a bunch of helter-skelter atoms that landed in unison in a wonderful arrangement, some luckier than others perhaps,
because the probability that the odds this occurred...
1 and then another number with 40 zeros after it (or so scientists tell us)
seems pretty believable to most Westerns.

That's too big a number for me, so I plan to ask the next coyote that "out-smarts" me.
Maybe he or she will leave me a note how it all works.
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Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: nate] #6991203
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I don't know if it would be classified as reasoning or not but any of you guys who have hunted bear have probably seen how a bear will discover how you access a bait site and will often check that trail before committing to a bait. I've had them climb the tree my stand was in and tear the seat off. They're very intelligent animals.

Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: nate] #6991210
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Bears also eat plywood,gas cans and skidoo seats.
They must be thinking - if he cant get gas and has no comfortable seat he wont be able to run that snowmachine.

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Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: Posco] #6991276
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Originally Posted by Posco
I don't know if it would be classified as reasoning or not but any of you guys who have hunted bear have probably seen how a bear will discover how you access a bait site and will often check that trail before committing to a bait. I've had them climb the tree my stand was in and tear the seat off. They're very intelligent animals.



Or just bored.



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Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: nate] #6991279
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For more on this topic, read The Decent of Man by Charles Darwin. He compares man development to animal development. Written in the mid 1800s but still interesting.

Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: nate] #6991312
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Had a walker coon hound that the first time I put him on a chain after we moved to the new place immediately did the run around the stake but and ended up snubbed right up to the post, well he stopped barking, sat down and stared at that post for several minutes then got up and walked the other way around to unwind himself and he never did it again, if thatís not reasoning tell me what is it, and thatís just one thing

Can animals reason I would say yes, not on the order of humans but itís there more so in some then in others, and in my opinion stronger in predators then herbivores





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Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: Rat Masterson] #6991314
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
With threads like this next thing you know someones going to allude to the fact that animals and people are the same.




Done deal there's groups all over that think that. But I'm guessing everyone on here has there mind made up.

Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: nate] #6991317
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That's way cool. Exactly my thoughts as well. He was surly a coon teeing son of a gun.

Re: Reaoning power of animals [Re: nightlife] #6991322
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Originally Posted by nightlife
Had a walker coon hound that the first time I put him on a chain after we moved to the new place immediately did the run around the stake but and ended up snubbed right up to the post, well he stopped barking, sat down and stared at that post for several minutes then got up and walked the other way around to unwind himself and he never did it again, if thatís not reasoning tell me what is it, and thatís just one thing

Can animals reason I would say yes, not on the order of humans but itís there more so in some then in others, and in my opinion stronger in predators then herbivores


Nice try. If he was wound up tight there wasnít anywhere else to go.

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