Re: Reaoning power of animals
[Re: nate]
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LMBO- yeah she figures to have the wool pulled over your eyes.
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Re: Reaoning power of animals
[Re: nate]
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09/16/20 08:13 AM
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Mark June
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Primates, scientists tell us, are the only animals with a frontal lobe to our brains. I simply did a Google to remind me what scientists figure that region does; The frontal lobes are important for voluntary movement, expressive language and for managing higher level executive functions. Executive functions refer to a collection of cognitive skills including the capacity to plan, organise, initiate, self-monitor and control one's responses in order to achieve a goal. I wonder how we got from a fish walking outta the soup onto legs to where we have what no other animals have? The philosophers of centuries ago coined the atheistic phrase, "Having a watch, does not indicate there is a watch maker." Well, dang son. Somebody had to make the watch correct? I feel better already, but interestingly, my dog gave me all this information. Blessings, Mark
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Re: Reaoning power of animals
[Re: Dana I]
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09/16/20 08:21 AM
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Hobbie, I really don't think we are that far apart. No remembering is not reasoning, that is correct. But I think that using what you remember to avoid the situation in the future is. That is apparently where we disagree. That's not reasoning that's cognition.
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Re: Reaoning power of animals
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09/16/20 08:30 AM
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Hobbie, I really don't think we are that far apart. No remembering is not reasoning, that is correct. But I think that using what you remember to avoid the situation in the future is. That is apparently where we disagree. That's not reasoning that's cognition. Used to call that "Growing Up"
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Re: Reaoning power of animals
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Primates, scientists tell us, are the only animals with a frontal lobe to our brains. I simply did a Google to remind me what scientists figure that region does; The frontal lobes are important for voluntary movement, expressive language and for managing higher level executive functions. Executive functions refer to a collection of cognitive skills including the capacity to plan, organise, initiate, self-monitor and control one's responses in order to achieve a goal. I wonder how we got from a fish walking outta the soup onto legs to where we have what no other animals have? The philosophers of centuries ago coined the atheistic phrase, "Having a watch, does not indicate there is a watch maker." Well, dang son. Somebody had to make the watch correct? I feel better already, but interestingly, my dog gave me all this information. Blessings, Mark A guy was curious where everyone got the time to set there watch. So he called the radio station and asked where they got there time from. They told him the watch maker . So he called the watch maker and asked where he got his time. He said the radio station.
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Re: Reaoning power of animals
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09/16/20 09:39 AM
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Giving animals any human abilities is thinking like PETA. All animals are nothing more than a natural resource and should be treated as such. Everybody wants their pets to be special. I think most will agree, the special is a projection.
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Re: Reaoning power of animals
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Giving animals any human abilities is thinking like PETA. All animals are nothing more than a natural resource and should be treated as such. Peta agenda is to take our rights they care less about animals. My pup is not a natural resource she is used to catch out natural resources we use for food and clothing. It's us trappers that love and protect our wildlife.
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Re: Reaoning power of animals
[Re: nate]
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09/16/20 09:55 AM
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Giving animals any human abilities is thinking like PETA. All animals are nothing more than a natural resource and should be treated as such. Peta agenda is to take our rights they care less about animals. My pup is not a natural resource she is used to catch out natural resources we use for food and clothing. It's us trappers that love and protect our wildlife. The Defense rest your Honor.
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Re: Reaoning power of animals
[Re: nate]
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09/16/20 10:10 AM
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And when they train themselves? Our definition of reasoning could vary a little bit I guess?
“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.” Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
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Re: Reaoning power of animals
[Re: nate]
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09/16/20 10:14 AM
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Grandad had a mut that had a vocabulary of two or three hundred words. Understood not spoken, just for those with ancestors in Rio Linda. He brought Grandad all kinds of things when asked to. Pipe, several different ones and styles, shoes, tobacco pouch, car keys, kids! Yep Grandad could name a child and Nick would find the kid and return with him or her, we had about forty acres to play in. It took Nick about twice being told to “Get the paper “ before he started watching for the paperboy. Grandmother would go out after dawn and unlatch the henhouse and after the chickens were out Nick would get his basket out of the pantry and go collect the eggs and bring them to the kitchen and put the basket on the table. This started after Grandmother let him carry the basket back to the house a couple of times. Was Nick unique in the dog world? Not in my opinion, rare, yes. If you search famous dogs, there are a bunch of them that have done many amazing things that scientists are unable to explain. Somethings a child of eight or ten probably couldn’t do. Things like traveling overland over two thousand miles to reunite with their families. Or picking the Kentucky Derby winner seven years in a row. The “Faithful “ would protest “that is learned behavior “ or “that is cognitive behavior “. Me thinks they doth protest to much. Mr. June I think your labeling Mr. Darwin’s studies a “ religion “ is beneath your intelligence and dignity. As always JMO
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Re: Reaoning power of animals
[Re: nate]
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09/16/20 10:24 AM
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And don’t even get me started on the two way conversations recorded between the gorilla and humans, or the bonobo chimp and humans. Conversation that is easily understood by Anyone fluent in American Sign Language.
“The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined” B. Disraeli
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Re: Reaoning power of animals
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09/16/20 10:27 AM
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And don’t even get me started on the two way conversations recorded between the gorilla and humans, or the bonobo chimp and humans. Conversation that is easily understood by Anyone fluent in American Sign Language.
Once again, that's learned behavior. Cognition, not reasoning. You can teach a mina bird to ask for a cracker. You' can't teach a mina bird or any gorilla to solve a logic problem.
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Re: Reaoning power of animals
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And when they train themselves? Our definition of reasoning could vary a little bit I guess? Dog paws at a lever, food falls out. One day, food doesn’t fall out. It stops pawing at the lever. Does it know it’s empty or does it see a plastic bag has blocked the hole and resolve the problem or does it just stop because there is nothing coming out when it paws the lever?
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