I am in the age group 50-65 and with 1 in a 19 million chance of dying of the virus . I will take my chances.

its been over 2 months

So if you were diagnosed with syphilis and the doc said this treatment might give you a 50% chance of not going blind.................you're telling me you would turn it down ?

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I hope it corrects its self soon. Have you looked into the supplements like zinc that have been helpful in fixing lingering symptoms of other types?

Just last week the news was reporting that they were pulling one of the trial vaccines due to severe neurological issues. How does a ramrodded vaccine have anything to do with an antibiotic treatment for syphilis?

It hasn't gotten any better or worse. I am in great shape and I eat correctly and take very good care of myself. This virus seems to take a toll on the obese. Most of them tend to contract pneumonia and the virus itself won't kill you. After knowing what this virus can do I would take my chances with a vaccine.

It was on news that essential workers well be get it in Nov around area, months after then to public. Could change but as of now I be scared to take shot covid vaccine. Of what could do, unknown, there just to much fake total bs stories about it on news, I don't believe it, going be bad this winter, I get colds every year a few an 1 or 2 bad cold. Bad at work. Not allow work, for probly 2 weeks. The one job I have., Probly fired an or might as well be as hire another cleaning outfit, I have sniffles a little now an or allergy's. An wildfire smoke makes worse. Rainy cold weather last week. Didn't dress up watm enough, the factory has checkpoints on entry bs, start cough or act sick, i be gone fast. I say job done in my position not good

I don't know what you said but CNN reported that if you wear a tinfoil hat while receiving the vaccine there won't be any side effects.

I hope we get a vaccine soon and one that is quite highly successful say over 70% effective for early releases. That will aid those with higher risk while we work through the herd immunity approach we have basically chosen as our way forward as a society. I got my flu shot today. I have had mine for since I was 58. I have not had a bad case of the flu since that time. Sure wish it could work on my allergies!!

Bryce

We have been diligent in practicing all the mitigation measures, ( e.g. mask, social distancing, family bubble, home schooling etc.), and will continue to do so until we see evidence that the vaccine is safe. My brother and his wife are both nurses and will likely among the first to get vaccinated. I guess they'll be our guinea pigs. I am concerned that the testing will be rushed.

I haven gotten sick in 12 -13 years for sure maybe longer. Everyone around me can get sick but I'm always fine.
I have not taken a flu shot or will I. Maybe you just were not going to be sick and the shot did nothing. Correlation dose not equal confirmation.

That's right and those trials have now been restarted.

My example was not about antibiotics. I was trying to illustrate probability.

The pause in the trial you reference was ONE reaction in 30,000 patients. It was a case of transverse myelitis. There are approximately a thousand cases a year in the US that occur without exposure to vaccines.

So I'll pose the question again. Will you accept a possible 30-50% improvement in your health outcome or reject that because of a one in 30,000 occurrence ?

Yes immunity can come in many forms and ways. Each of respond differently to infections and thus we would most likely respond very differently to passive or active immunity vaccines. The fact that millions take vaccines for virus and bacterial infections greatly decreases the likely hood of those not betting vaccinated of getting the disease either. So there may be millions that don't want or will not take vaccination as one of the options for control but those that do help all in a macro way.

Bryce

Your trying to say it will give you a 30-50% chance of having an effective vaccine. Those figure are based off vaccines that have been tested for years. Yet these are being approved in month's it been rushed.

Vaccines cause problems including death every year your not looking at this objectively. The unproven benifit dose not out way the risk.

Be scared and cowering believe everything the news says if you want. Some people have personal experience with this virus that is different from what the ever changing" Facts" are. We need more human test subjects so be our guest. No one is telling you not to take it just why we won't. But quit being condescending towards those that think for themselves and don't step in line like a lemming.

Providence,
I think you are half right in your analysis. The media is often wrong in what they are reporting, but I don't believe it is by mistake. They are intentionally slanting and misleading in what they choose to report and how they choose to report it.

Why would anyone get a vaccination or a state make it mandatory when it pays so well to have the disease

I have my grand kids every day for on line school. I am going to be first in line to get the vaccine. I was getting a prescription filled and talking with the pharmacist, the other day. She said she had COVID and was never so sick for 18 days. She said she is going to get the vaccine, even though she has already had the illness, because you can get the illness more than once.

Nothing has been " approved" and may never be.

Vaccines MAY cause problems for some people but the rate is so low that it approaches zero on a statistical basis.

You also misread what I said. I did not say that there is a 30-50% chance of having an effective vaccine. I said a vaccine may give a 30-50% improved outcome in your health.

If I can improve my chances of good health by 30-50 % , by taking a risk of 1 in 30,000..........that is a great risk to reward ratio. I'll take those odds every day.

I bet vaccine is probly 30 per cent effective at best, get sick from it, yes I would bet heavy on that, die from it, a possibility. Unless get sick or hear ppl die from it for sure. I would not trust any vaccine for covid. Population control of goverment, thousands die 6 months later vaccine poison

Covid 19 is unique for the shear amount of disinformation, hysteria, and conspiracy theories generated. Lifelong fishing buddy /brother in law is PHD research chemist working trial on Covid19 antibody test instrument that gives instantaneous pos-neg reading. He's a pretty solid conservative. My best friend is a veterinarian who specialized in Virology post-graduate. Politically independent, I would label them moderate. My brother the ICU nurse, has tested positive for antibodies from 2 strains of Covid. He's very conservative. All 3 have said they'll get vaccinated. All are concerned to some degree of political interference in the process. BIL said pharma industry big enough to work around government meddling, can produce in a variety of countries, and sell vaccines worldwide. He says major pharma is worried about pushing the timeline and selling incompletely tested vaccine because they've seen the massive corporate and personal lawsuits against prescription opioid manufacturers who downplayed addictive potential. Way too much hyperbole from right and left wing on this.