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People not knowing how to zero #6993019
09/17/20 03:56 PM
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So I was curious if it's common in other places or just around these parts for folks to not know how to zero in (along with various other things Cleaning and the like ) their own rifles. Never fails around once ever month or so I have someone get me and ask for me to sight in their gun for them because "it ain't hittin right". Usually the story goes they took it to the pawn shop to get sighted in, which ends up they stuck a bore site tool on it and charged them $20. Then they can't hit a 5gal bucket at 100yd or less and they're confused. Then they get even more confused when they bring it to me since "you bee shooing then coke cans across the cow field "and I ask for a box of the bullets the gun likes, what range they would like it set at and when the last time they cleaned it. Then I have to explain how to actually zero the gun you need to actually fire rounds and adjust at a particular range and how a poorly cleaned rifle (and some of these barely take at lest an hour or so to get them decently cleaned) and different bullets will affect accuracy. And usually after all that I get a shrug half ,a box of rounds , $20 and a "well just get it close enough". IDK always just kinda confused me how folks spend $700 on a rifle n scope and have no clue how to zero it. And don't even get me started when you have to break it to them the $39 tasco scope on their 30-06 isn't gonna hold zero. So this common with y'all other guys or is it just in my little piece of merica?

Re: People not knowing how to zero [Re: Wolfdog91] #6993029
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All too common. I managed a gun shop with a range. The couple of weeks before deer season my shoulder stayed sore as all I did was sight in peoples' rifles and fix loose scopes, broken rings, and in some cases actually deemed rifles unsafe to shoot. Charged $20 to sight one in. That shop made a ton of cash from people being to lazy and to ignorant to sight in a rifle. Thing is, most of them didn't even want to learn how to. They just wanted it zeroed so they could go fling lead at a deer opening day and then stick the gun back in the closet.

Re: People not knowing how to zero [Re: Wolfdog91] #6993031
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I don't get it either.

see it all over

try explaining the simple math behind it blows some peoples minds

or how they have the scope mounted all wrong 45* cross hairs is a favorite

scope so car back they have to put their ear on their shoulder

so high they could hardly get a chin weld


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Re: People not knowing how to zero [Re: Wolfdog91] #6993033
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grin Good practice for you , it sounds !

I have done ok on my scopes , but what I really enjoy is cleaning .

I have even taken apart my Marlin .22 semi auto rifle to clean out the residue that builds in there over time so it never jams and works like new.

I clean my 300 Weatherby after every hunting season.

It is like cleaning my leather gear, saddle, bridle,boots,etc. Love to see them shine and smell so good . Therapeutic .

Re: People not knowing how to zero [Re: Wolfdog91] #6993034
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Common here as well. It seems odd to guys like us but Some people care about how their guns work about as much I I care how my cell phone and computer works. I just want my phone and computer to work. Makes it easier for me to understand in that context.

Re: People not knowing how to zero [Re: Wolfdog91] #6993036
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It's very common, I'd say the avg hunter has very little clue on how to zero, or the ones that take a box of shells to get it close enough.

Re: People not knowing how to zero [Re: Wolfdog91] #6993040
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Too many people buy gun, put scope in it and assume it's sighted. The day before season..

Re: People not knowing how to zero [Re: Wolfdog91] #6993042
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LOL I have 8-10 guys that have me "check " their rifles every year. All of them work and I'm retired so they just take for granted I'm free. I kind of enjoy it thou. BUT one guy brought me a 375 H&H single shot ruger. NO MORE !!!!!
I told him I never wanted to see that gun again. WORST kicking gun I have ever shot. Headache for 2 days after. Blued up my shoulder. OK none of you start the I was holding it wrong.
Guess I need to invest in a Caldwell lead sled. Or even better one of their shooting chairs.

Re: People not knowing how to zero [Re: Sharon] #6993043
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Originally Posted by Sharon
grin Good practice for you , it sounds !

I have done ok on my scopes , but what I really enjoy is cleaning .

I have even taken apart my Marlin .22 semi auto rifle to clean out the residue that builds in there over time so it never jams and works like new.

I clean my 300 Weatherby after every hunting season.

It is like cleaning my leather gear, saddle, bridle,boots,etc. Love to see them shine and smell so good . Therapeutic .


Your supposed to clean your guns ? JKD it is a winter time chore going through the gun safe keeping everything clean.


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Re: People not knowing how to zero [Re: Wolfdog91] #6993044
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I have a cousin , smart enough guy ,but he hands me his 243 last year said it stuck shut I get it to move and open the bolt , look at his green ammo , this needs a cleaning

when was the last time you oiled this ? I don't know never

the bolt actually sqweeked like a loud door hinge when I opened the bolt

he said you gave me that bottle of oil last year , let me go grab that he goes in the house comes back out with it , I take the bolt out of his 700 BDL 243win oil the bolt , put it back in and cycle it a few time so much better

you really need to clean this

I cleaned his other 243 when it stopped shooting groups he had given a kid who needed a buss ticket in about 1975 75 dollars for it and had never cleaned the barrel in 45 years the barrel was green.

at least he gets them out and takes 2-3 rounds to make sure he is hitting where it should be but horrible at putting them away at the end of season , not uncommon for him to still find the gun behind the seat in his truck come spring.


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Re: People not knowing how to zero [Re: Wolfdog91] #6993057
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Been doing it for years.
For 1 guy, it's been 30-35 years and he's a good shot and hunted all his life.
He says we shoot a scope the same and I can get it lined better than him.
I enjoy shooting somebody's else's ammo...lol Alway tell'em that they need to do the final
adjustments but most say just go ahead and set it where you think it needs to be...


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Re: People not knowing how to zero [Re: Wolfdog91] #6993065
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Ask an outfitter about folks pay a ton of money for a hunt and what they see. Some real horror stories out there.


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Re: People not knowing how to zero [Re: Wolfdog91] #6993078
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the club my dad used to belong to had a gun deer sight in the first 2 Saturdays in November about 40 minutes outside Milwaukee

I used to work that good way to get brass and experience.

they started by having the people bring their guns unloaded and encased to a shed near the end of the line they would uncased your gun and check it while you filled out a slip and paid your 10 dollars a gun.

they would find some loaded nearly every year.

that guy would check for obvious missing or broken parts , bad corrosion or scopes that were obviously loose he took a bore light and looked down the barrel to make sure safe to shoot.

they then looked over your ammo to make sure it was the right thing for your gun and not green or dangerous to shoot. they had a bucket the would toss the green stuff in and say I can't let you shoot that on this range it is not safe.

then they would send them out to those of us at the 25 yard line to get them on paper

this was early 90s and you saw all sorts of stuff

had one guy bring a muzzle loader and he insisted it was fine to pour strait from the flask , it had a measure on it and he wanted to argue about it also.


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Re: People not knowing how to zero [Re: Wolfdog91] #6993099
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Gun club i used to belong to had a sight in day the weekend before deer season for non-members. You wouldn't beleive how many folks bring a box of ammo aand hand their gun to a member to do the shooting for them. The line was usually quite long. It was fun for us members to shoot a variety of guns. Not so much when a 12 gauge slug gun appeared and you had no one on your left to pass it back to.

Re: People not knowing how to zero [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #6993150
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
I don't get it either.

see it all over

try explaining the simple math behind it blows some peoples minds

or how they have the scope mounted all wrong 45* cross hairs is a favorite

scope so car back they have to put their ear on their shoulder

so high they could hardly get a chin weld


What get me is people are terrified to even touch a screw on a scope ring or add somthing to make the gun work a little better. Any time I go to the range now I always carry a set of Allen keys and various other screw driver bits and such because almost everytime I go (especially around deer season I ) some just got a new rifle and the scope is too fare forward or back. One guy about near had a heart attack when I suggested I loosen the scope ring screws and move the scope forward a little. Then the other gatehouse about wanted to fight because I said adding a cheap strap on cheek riser to his rifle would probably help with his shooting (said he paid $600 for the gun and he shouldn't have to put another penny into it)

Re: People not knowing how to zero [Re: Providence Farm] #6993156
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Common here as well. It seems odd to guys like us but Some people care about how their guns work about as much I I care how my cell phone and computer works. I just want my phone and computer to work. Makes it easier for me to understand in that context.


I reckon I get that but when it comes to guys who say their big hunters it didn't make sense tonne they don't know how to adjust their own equipment. Like you might not know how to re install a motherboard in your computer but for someone who say their a computer guy it should be pretty common knowledge you should learn how to install adjust the settings so it works better.

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Re: People not knowing how to zero [Re: Wolfdog91] #6993161
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old guys like me just get their kids to adjust their computer lol. i am teaching my grandson how to reload and son and me are going to mount a scope Saturday after we grind up some fresh pork shoulder that was on sale and make sausage.


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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Common here as well. It seems odd to guys like us but Some people care about how their guns work about as much I I care how my cell phone and computer works. I just want my phone and computer to work. Makes it easier for me to understand in that context.


I reckon I get that but when it comes to guys who say their big hunters it didn't make sense tonne they don't know how to adjust their own equipment. Like you might not know how to re install a motherboard in your computer but it's pretty common knowledge you should learn how to install adjust the settings so it works better.



I can live a fulfilling happy life without my phone and computer. That's not possible without accurate tuned in firearms and archery equipment.

Re: People not knowing how to zero [Re: Wolfdog91] #6993176
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I always check my scope and rifle before each season.


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Re: People not knowing how to zero [Re: Sharon] #6993178
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Originally Posted by Sharon
grin Good practice for you , it sounds !

I have done ok on my scopes , but what I really enjoy is cleaning .

I have even taken apart my Marlin .22 semi auto rifle to clean out the residue that builds in there over time so it never jams and works like new.

I clean my 300 Weatherby after every hunting season.

It is like cleaning my leather gear, saddle, bridle,boots,etc. Love to see them shine and smell so good . Therapeutic .


I mean I do always keep the brass too lol

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