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Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream #6994212
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I was having a conversation with someone that supports that cockamany idea.

They had a laundry list of what we can do instead of funding the Police. One of them was there is no need to protect private property is insured.


I laughed hard at that one. It is true that most private property is insured but let's take that it's its logical conclusion. Insurance rates will rise and eventually either they won't be affordable or prices rise separating the rich and poor further or..... It would lead to a private police force supported by the insurance industry. Again.... Leading to only those that can afford it to have protection.


I thought they were about to suffer a nose bleed as that set in.... grin

Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: Pike River] #6994213
09/19/20 04:03 AM
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Can't reason with those people, Dad always said "argue with a fool and you'll look like a fool". You can talk till your blue in the face and never get them to see the facts. Sadly it seems that's what we're up against, a mentality that is fed crap, eats it, and believes it.


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Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: Pike River] #6994219
09/19/20 04:53 AM
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Defund no, but I do think they need to be held accountable when they do break the law, just like every other us citizen.

Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: MadTrapper375] #6994222
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Originally Posted by MadTrapper375
Defund no, but I do think they need to be held accountable when they do break the law, just like every other us citizen.

OH absolutely but that's not what this is about.

Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: Pike River] #6994225
09/19/20 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Pike River
Originally Posted by MadTrapper375
Defund no, but I do think they need to be held accountable when they do break the law, just like every other us citizen.

OH absolutely but that's not what this is about.

I beg to differ. I think accountability of LE is the root cause.

Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: Pike River] #6994238
09/19/20 05:57 AM
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You’re delusional.


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Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: Pike River] #6994243
09/19/20 06:05 AM
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You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.

Yes, private property can be insured. One problem. Rioting is detailed in the policy as domestic terrorism and acts of domestic terrorism are not not covered.

Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: Pike River] #6994250
09/19/20 06:18 AM
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Too many libertarians are confused socialists.

Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: Pike River] #6994271
09/19/20 06:43 AM
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you folks need to read a little about libertarians. it is 100 percent free market based. no social security or welfare. No SOCIALISM

A big part of the defund the police movement is because LE are very very very rarely held to account for egregious behavior and illegal acts.




Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: Pike River] #6994273
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All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.



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Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: Pike River] #6994276
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i tend to agree with the idea that if there is no victim there is no crime


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: Pike River] #6994289
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Can society be a victim?

Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: Pike River] #6994292
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Regardless of where you stand on these comments, America was founded by those men who believed that the moral fiber of a nation held it together.

One must know history to understand the communists published a detailed list on how to destroy this individual liberty novelty called America, all founded upon God given rights, by decay of the moral society within it. Rot from within they call it. It began in the late 1800's, picked up steam in the early 1900's, died back for 60 years... picked up steam and sputtered a bit in the 1950's, laid back down, probably stoned on LSD for 30 years, but now has emerged with smiling faces.


Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: DWC] #6994293
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Originally Posted by DWC
Can society be a victim?


Absolutely.


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Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: Pike River] #6994296
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Mark do you still believe the new covid vaccine will link people telepathically with a computer ?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: Pike River] #6994299
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good morning danny. You yanking my chain this early bro grin
Did anyone in your family ever mention to you that;
"You have a simple way of generalizing a topic to its basic parts?" wink

Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: Pike River] #6994301
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You do tend to throw out some pretty wild scenarios.

In the late 1800's the communists were a small insignificant group of people. The U.S. was not seen as a world power. Why would a small group of Marxists be planning the overthrow of the U.S. when they had absolutely 0 political influence anyplace?

If we are going to talk history that is.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: Pike River] #6994303
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Yep. Works when trapping too. K.I.S.S.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: Pike River] #6994307
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I think we can agree that the leaders of BLM and defund the police are using Marxist gibberish to get people to do their bidding. I dont believe for a second those leaders are Marxists.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Defund the Police - Libertarian Dream [Re: Pike River] #6994310
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I agree with Mark's line "society held together by moral fiber". That fiber is frayed and broken. This country was founded and settled without police and it wasn't pretty. Those who want to get rid of the police aren't going to like how it goes down. The law of moral society was defended by people with guns. Common citizens. And thugs were shot dead. That seems to be where we're headed. Everyone is going to have to defend theirs and themselves. Thieves and criminals aren't going to be tolerated.


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