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How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
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Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related
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09/18/20 09:41 PM
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There were a lot of people that were on chemo that would have survived cancer if they didn't contract the Covid. There were a lot of people that would have received chemo and survived cancer if the world wasn't afraid of contracting Covid. I fixed it for you. It's no secret many necessary healthcare appointments were delayed or forgotten altogether due to the Covid scare of 2020. I've seen people after three weeks of Chemo at their most immunosuppressed level walk out to their car with a positive Covid test and drive home. It doesn't fit all of them.
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Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related
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09/19/20 12:34 AM
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There were a lot of people that were on chemo that would have survived cancer if they didn't contract the Covid. Did CNN tell you that?
“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.” Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
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Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related
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09/19/20 06:24 AM
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The stats being reported for covid are blatantly biased in favor of covid related deaths and infection rate. The numbers reported aren’t really stats their political opinions.
Negative test results not being entered in the data base. All positive confirmation tests being entered into the data base for the same individual. Any terminal patient testing positive for covid reported as covid death regardless of actual cause of death( ie heart failure, car accident!).
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Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related
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09/19/20 07:04 AM
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There were a lot of people that were on chemo that would have survived cancer if they didn't contract the Covid. R u a troll?
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Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related
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09/19/20 05:24 PM
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There were a lot of people that were on chemo that would have survived cancer if they didn't contract the Covid. R u a troll? Have you ever been to a cancer clinic? Patients have been wearing masks and gloves there years before the Covid 19 came about.
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Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related
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09/19/20 08:27 PM
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I hope I am wrong but by this time next year it should be easy to tell just by graphing out the cause of death per 1000 or 100,000 side by side. If nobody died of the flu or cancer in 2020 but the years before total deaths are +/- constant and things go back to normal after the election we will have our proof.
Until then, sitting in front of a TV waiting for someone to make this point sounds like a great way to get old LOL
“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.” Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
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Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related
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09/19/20 09:21 PM
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So, the last couple of years the number of U.S. deaths per year was about 2.8 million. I have such fights with my liberal "friends" about if a stage 4 cancer person who would have probably died in say summer of 2020 but died because of covid in say April should be be counted as covid or not. Its a semantic game in my opinion. The left uses a model from the CDC called "excessive deaths" where things are modeled compared to previous years. We really won't know until the entire 2020 U.S. death count is tallied in early 2021 what the true impact of covid was for the year. As cold as it sounds,for the "excessive death" modler folks it better be over 3 million for the year. Otherwise, if its down say below 2.9, its was just rearranging the deck chairs. Of course, I'm a totally whacked mean ba****d for saying such a thing on facebook...
"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground". Genesis 1:26
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Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related
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09/20/20 11:00 AM
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So, the last couple of years the number of U.S. deaths per year was about 2.8 million. I have such fights with my liberal "friends" about if a stage 4 cancer person who would have probably died in say summer of 2020 but died because of covid in say April should be be counted as covid or not. Its a semantic game in my opinion. The left uses a model from the CDC called "excessive deaths" where things are modeled compared to previous years. We really won't know until the entire 2020 U.S. death count is tallied in early 2021 what the true impact of covid was for the year. As cold as it sounds,for the "excessive death" modler folks it better be over 3 million for the year. Otherwise, if its down say below 2.9, its was just rearranging the deck chairs. Of course, I'm a totally whacked mean ba****d for saying such a thing on facebook... You are just doing a cost benefit analysis. Who decided that 2.8 million is the goal? Does anybody think if 5.6 million Americans died in a year it would really matter for the health of the 325 million Americans still alive?
Who is John Galt?
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Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related
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09/20/20 11:49 AM
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Dirt, you have a point. We lose less than 1% of the population a year to deaths, probably doing pretty good.
The 2.8 million is a current "base" number to compare 2020 with when we get the final numbers in 2021. If the the total 2020 U.S. deaths aren't over 3 million, is the 200k dead so far "from covid" a lie...?
"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground". Genesis 1:26
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Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related
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09/20/20 02:30 PM
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The 6% was with covid only on the death cert.This came out in the August 26 (a t least) CDC update before Table 3, when they talk about comorbidity. All the others had some other issue (comorbidity) in play. The average was 2.76 other issues. The vast majority of deaths were people who were at risk or actually dying from some other health issue.
"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground". Genesis 1:26
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