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Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997271
09/22/20 02:49 PM
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Petr's entire writing is based on emotion and a spiritual belief. Scientific research isn't going to persuade him in either realm.

I will give him this much, he actually called us murderers without wanting to murder us. At least he has that quality. There is a good portion of the other side who would gladly inflict bodily harm against trappers or more likely, relish if somebody else did so they don't have to get their hands dirty themselves.


"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground".
Genesis 1:26
Re: Petr [Re: NonPCfed] #6997314
09/22/20 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by NonPCfed
Petr's entire writing is based on emotion and a spiritual belief. Scientific research isn't going to persuade him in either realm.


We have to use a factual based approach to deal with those who don’t see things the way we do. We may not be able to persuade a particular individual to change his or her mind but by defending/promoting our position using facts we will be able to keep public opinion in our favor. This Petr exercise is about much more than one anti on a trapping forum.

Re: Petr [Re: OKforester] #6997315
09/22/20 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by OKforester
So if Petr ever does come back so we can civilly discuss with him let’s try to avoid using religious or emotional opinions, both of which he has based most all of his comments towards us. We need to use scientific facts, personal experiences should be used very sparingly, to promote our conservation efforts. There are hundreds if not thousands of scientifically based studies that support our conservation methods. We need to be able to quote some of these to base the promotion of our view points on proven scientific material. We can never win an emotional or religious argument but we will win an argument based of science everyday and twice on Sundays.


Why would we try to win?
Perhaps his culture is one in which they exchange ideas.
Sharon is correct in her starting point. Thank you Sharon!

Re: Petr [Re: ] #6997354
09/22/20 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark June
Originally Posted by OKforester
So if Petr ever does come back so we can civilly discuss with him let’s try to avoid using religious or emotional opinions, both of which he has based most all of his comments towards us. We need to use scientific facts, personal experiences should be used very sparingly, to promote our conservation efforts. There are hundreds if not thousands of scientifically based studies that support our conservation methods. We need to be able to quote some of these to base the promotion of our view points on proven scientific material. We can never win an emotional or religious argument but we will win an argument based of science everyday and twice on Sundays.


Why would we try to win?


Because we sure don’t want to lose.

Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997384
09/22/20 06:19 PM
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I was going for the scientific approach. Maybe we convinced him already and he’s out prebaiting some cubbies


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Re: Petr [Re: NonPCfed] #6997425
09/22/20 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NonPCfed
Petr's entire writing is based on emotion and a spiritual belief. Scientific research isn't going to persuade him in either realm.

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Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997447
09/22/20 07:27 PM
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I fed a hungry neglected dog today and chickens in a coop with no food or water. I hope that chases bad luck away! Then I ate bacon for supper.


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997450
09/22/20 07:31 PM
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Where is Petr's original post?

Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997453
09/22/20 07:34 PM
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I dont believe he will be back.

Re: Petr [Re: Providence Farm] #6997460
09/22/20 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
I dont believe he will be back.


You may be correct PF.
It seemed pretty clear, as I read through a few of the replies to him, that more than a couple ships were lining up in the harbor, and they had prideful intent of sinking the Russian vessel Petr.

It's typical, I suppose, if your ship gets shot at (as you first enter a new harbor), to turn your ship around.

Blessings,
Mark

Re: Petr [Re: ] #6997465
09/22/20 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark June
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
I dont believe he will be back.


You may be correct PF.
It seemed pretty clear, as I read through a few of the replies to him, that more than a couple ships were lining up in the harbor, and they had prideful intent of sinking the Russian vessel Petr.

It's typical, I suppose, if your ship gets shot at (as you first enter a new harbor), to turn your ship around.

Blessings,
Mark


I hope my post did not come off to harsh. I tried with the best of my ability to be civil and explain my stance and why I have that stance. Maybe I was not successful in my attempt?

Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997468
09/22/20 07:53 PM
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Where's Rocky Balboa when you need him?


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Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997471
09/22/20 07:55 PM
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I think he's probably been offered more civility than he deserves.

Re: Petr [Re: Gary Benson] #6997473
09/22/20 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
I fed a hungry neglected dog today and chickens in a coop with no food or water. I hope that chases bad luck away! Then I ate bacon for supper.


You've got a cancelling effect happening there.

Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997478
09/22/20 08:01 PM
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The Petr dude writes like a guy always having trouble with his vechile.


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997480
09/22/20 08:02 PM
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Yes, I have an open mind. But that doesn't mean my conscience is open.

How about u? Do you have an open mind, if I show u the evils of trapping? How the animal must feel with its foot...or FACE...caught in a trap?

Re: Petr [Re: Petr] #6997483
09/22/20 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Petr
Yes, I have an open mind. But that doesn't mean my conscience is open.

How about u? Do you have an open mind, if I show u the evils of trapping? How the animal must feel with its foot...or FACE...caught in a trap?

Comrade a head catch with a connibear is one of the If not the most humane ways for a furbearer to die


Trapping is what built North America, why take that away?


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Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997486
09/22/20 08:14 PM
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Are you, or were you, a sable trapper Petr? Wolves? Go ahead and show me. I gave you my sob story which you never even commented on. The story is true. So is this

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Is it ok for a coyote to be a predator? Get into a sheep pen and kill 30-40 in one night for fun? Or will the coyote suffer bad karma? Coyotes can be healthy without ever eating another animal. Do coyotes know it is murder to eat a deer fawn?

Why do you think in a world of prey species and predator species, both created by your Goddess Gaia, it is unnatural and immoral for humans to be predators?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997487
09/22/20 08:14 PM
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Dead before it knew what hit it. We should all be so lucky to go in such a way.

Re: Petr [Re: Petr] #6997489
09/22/20 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Petr
Yes, I have an open mind. But that doesn't mean my conscience is open.

How about u? Do you have an open mind, if I show u the evils of trapping? How the animal must feel with its foot...or FACE...caught in a trap?

You could not show US the evils of trapping...because none exist!


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