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Re: Petr [Re: Petr] #6997490
09/22/20 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Petr
Yes, I have an open mind. But that doesn't mean my conscience is open.

How about u? Do you have an open mind, if I show u the evils of trapping? How the animal must feel with its foot...or FACE...caught in a trap?


How does the animal feel when it's ripped apart and eaten, while it's still alive by another animal? Wild animals don't die well.

Keith

Re: Petr [Re: Petr] #6997492
09/22/20 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Petr
Yes, I have an open mind. But that doesn't mean my conscience is open.

How about u? Do you have an open mind, if I show u the evils of trapping? How the animal must feel with its foot...or FACE...caught in a trap?

You ever been in a bad car wreck?

Re: Petr [Re: Petr] #6997493
09/22/20 08:19 PM
09/22/20 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Petr
Yes, I have an open mind. But that doesn't mean my conscience is open.

How about u? Do you have an open mind, if I show u the evils of trapping? How the animal must feel with its foot...or FACE...caught in a trap?



Greetings Petr.

You are speaking of the unlikely example of trapping.

(In which someone likely didn't follow the rules)

Trapping methods are as humane as possible.

It's far better than the natural course of nature.

Last edited by amspoker; 09/22/20 08:38 PM.

Levi
Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997500
09/22/20 08:26 PM
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Petr. I would hope that you study the natural behavior of all animals, Especially the animals that have an open season for us to understand their way of Life. Trapping is the best way to control over population and disease, which is a long painful death.

I'm all ears Petr. I want you to tell me more of how you came to your conclusion of anti Trapping.

Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997501
09/22/20 08:27 PM
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Welcome aboard Petr!


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Re: Petr [Re: ] #6997503
09/22/20 08:27 PM
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It seems to me that Petr doesn’t have much to say or simply hasn’t any good answers to our questions or to our side of the debate. I would bet he’s never had a trap on his hand so he would know of what he speaks or maybe both thumbs in a #4 coil, got himself out and reset the trap without suffering. In fact if traps worked like people of his ilk would have you believe most of us would have no fingers. At the end of the day or at any other time really, if he wants to tell me how to live or how to feel about anything he will find himself at the end of a long and rough row to hoe. On the other hand he can believe what he wants and live how he wants as long as he minds his business and not mine. Petr, I hope we understand each other, but I’m not gonna hold my breath waiting for you to come around and I wouldn’t suggest you do so while waiting on me either.

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Re: Petr [Re: Petr] #6997515
09/22/20 08:44 PM
09/22/20 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Petr
Yes, I have an open mind. But that doesn't mean my conscience is open.

How about u? Do you have an open mind, if I show u the evils of trapping? How the animal must feel with its foot...or FACE...caught in a trap?


Great news.

Please realize the vast majority of licensed trappers, who are among the most regulated and controlled outdoorsman, do not like to see animals trapped inhumanely. I’m sure you can show pictures of animals trapped inhumanely, PETA is one of the best at doctoring photos and staging these scenes to make us look bad and play on the emotions of people whom do not want to see reason.

Most of us follow best management practices. Where traps and methods have gone through extensive testing to ensure the animal is held with minimal injury or damage, with cable restraints, cage style traps or foothold traps. Or the animal killed is quickly and effectively in the case of body grip style traps or snares.

We use techniques so that our traps are very selective in what animal we catch and how that animal is held.

None of us want the animal to suffer an excessive amount. We surely treat the animal better than Mother Nature does, look at how disease and starvation affect game populations that are allowed to grow outside of the carrying capacity. Or just when one animal eats another animal.


Thank you for your open mindedness.


Who is John Galt?

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Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997520
09/22/20 08:49 PM
09/22/20 08:49 PM
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Isn't this the same one who was just here to hack into the website from the beginning?

Re: Petr [Re: ~ADC~] #6997522
09/22/20 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Isn't this the same one who was just here to hack into the website from the beginning?



I believe he was always forthcoming about his intentions.

That he disapproved of trapping.

Last edited by amspoker; 09/22/20 08:53 PM.

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Re: Petr [Re: ~ADC~] #6997534
09/22/20 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Isn't this the same one who was just here to hack into the website from the beginning?


Not to mention the "you are murderers" thing.

Re: Petr [Re: ~ADC~] #6997539
09/22/20 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Isn't this the same one who was just here to hack into the website from the beginning?


Not real interested in talking to an anti myself I'd rather talk to someone who's mind isn't made up yet but to each his own. But I think he was trying to make back link to drive traffic from search engines. I could be wrong but that's what I thought he said.


Life sure is tough when you don't learn from the mistakes of others.
Re: Petr [Re: Petr] #6997557
09/22/20 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Petr
Yes, I have an open mind. But that doesn't mean my conscience is open.

How about u? Do you have an open mind, if I show u the evils of trapping? How the animal must feel with its foot...or FACE...caught in a trap?

Pretty sure we treat animals better than your government treats its citizens that don't agree with your government.You may want to start by righting that wrong.Just sayin.


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Re: Petr [Re: Petr] #6997558
09/22/20 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Petr
Yes, I have an open mind. But that doesn't mean my conscience is open.

How about u? Do you have an open mind, if I show u the evils of trapping? How the animal must feel with its foot...or FACE...caught in a trap?

So basically no, that's like saying your open minded to the LGBT community but let me show you why it wrong and how it's evil.

Honestly seems your mind is and has been made up from the start. Your open minded to where it fits your agenda.
There's people here who can speak about this on multiple levels from a spiritual down to scientific but unless you are truly open minded and ready to put your emotions to the side and question what you think is right then there's truly no point .

Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997564
09/22/20 09:33 PM
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Double tap.

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Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997566
09/22/20 09:34 PM
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Well untill he can address any of the issues we have taken the time to wright up for him with more than trapping is bad think of how the animals feel. Utilize and compose an argument supported by facts and science instead of emotion I will no longer wast any of my time.

Good luck living in your out of touch with the natural world fantasy land life.

Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997569
09/22/20 09:37 PM
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proper and legal trapping is quite humane .

many non trappers would have you believe that a trap crushes the foot , or causes major damage if that were the case my fingers would be a mess but they don't.

I have all my fingers and they all work and I have been caught by my own traps many times.

for a demo I will stick my hand in a foothold trap. about half the people in the room generally jump sure I am going to loose fingers I keep talking , press down the levers with my feet and remove my hand.

no blood , no damage

when I get to my traps most of the time the animals are laying there sleeping till I get close.

we use traps sized to get pad catches , the pad of the animals foot is the toughest part they run on gravel roads on those pads.


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Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997575
09/22/20 09:47 PM
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Animals do feel pain if you step on a dogs ail it whimpers. Never will you see a animal with a crushed leg in a LEAGAL trap. I have never NEVER had a animal with a broke leg. Never have I had a animal suffer I don’t want to see one suffer that’s why I quickly cleanly dispatch my catches. The media lies. There have been illegal trappers before they are the ones you hear about. We on here are all LEAGAL trappers we go quitely about our business we don’t brag about our catches on social media for the fear we will be ridiculed. Trapperman.com is a place for trappers where we can talk to each other and know we won’t be ridiculed by the rest of the world. Petr please let’s have an open PEACEFUL debate share your opinion maybe we can shed some light from our side I’d love to.

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Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997580
09/22/20 09:52 PM
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I thinks it's a moral question that should be debated in a proper manner. If i was playing the devils advocate I think I could shoot some far size holes in some of the ideas that you trap for the conservation of it. I will say it would be hard to truly debate something with 15 people jumping on you at one time. Again I think it boils down to moral question when you get to the bottom of it. We've been beating the conservation drum since antis started and I dont know if we are winning. I would enjoy a respectful debate on this issue.

I will add that conservation is a part of some trappers motivation and it can be a benefit but for the majority it is a side benefit at most.

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Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997588
09/22/20 10:01 PM
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Debate.....pfffttt!


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Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997600
09/22/20 10:11 PM
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Petr..do you eat any meat?


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