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Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997580
09/22/20 09:52 PM
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I thinks it's a moral question that should be debated in a proper manner. If i was playing the devils advocate I think I could shoot some far size holes in some of the ideas that you trap for the conservation of it. I will say it would be hard to truly debate something with 15 people jumping on you at one time. Again I think it boils down to moral question when you get to the bottom of it. We've been beating the conservation drum since antis started and I dont know if we are winning. I would enjoy a respectful debate on this issue.

I will add that conservation is a part of some trappers motivation and it can be a benefit but for the majority it is a side benefit at most.

Last edited by Yes sir; 09/22/20 09:56 PM.
Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997588
09/22/20 10:01 PM
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Debate.....pfffttt!


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Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997600
09/22/20 10:11 PM
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Petr..do you eat any meat?


I know I'm paranoid......but am I paranoid ENOUGH???
Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997625
09/22/20 10:51 PM
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I cannot debate 15 peeps at once. Pick two or three of u and I'll prove them wrong.

No I don't eat meat. yuch!

Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997627
09/22/20 10:59 PM
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You pick from the people who have asked you questions. Use the quote button and debate the topic at hand. I am sure you won't change any minds but we all get a better idea of how the other side sees the world. I will stay out of this and would ask others to as well. As petr was given reign of this thread by the boss. I am making popcorn as I type.


Life sure is tough when you don't learn from the mistakes of others.
Re: Petr [Re: Petr] #6997642
09/22/20 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Petr
Yes, I have an open mind. But that doesn't mean my conscience is open.

How about u? Do you have an open mind, if I show u the evils of trapping? How the animal must feel with its foot...or FACE...caught in a trap?


Iíll post once on this. Petr, what you donít understand and probably wonít believe is that most of the guys on here love and appreciate animals and nature more than 99% of the people that proclaim to protect it. Most of them are like me. The guy that stops the tractor and moves a killdeer nest on the ground out of the way so it doesnít get smashed, or the guy that gets off the swather and moves the two day old fawn so it doesnít get ran over, or the guy that swerves going 60 down a dirt road to miss a snake that is just doing what heís doing. We are those people!!!


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Re: Petr [Re: Pawnee] #6997723
09/23/20 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Pawnee
Originally Posted by Petr
Yes, I have an open mind. But that doesn't mean my conscience is open.

How about u? Do you have an open mind, if I show u the evils of trapping? How the animal must feel with its foot...or FACE...caught in a trap?


Iíll post once on this. Petr, what you donít understand and probably wonít believe is that most of the guys on here love and appreciate animals and nature more than 99% of the people that proclaim to protect it. Most of them are like me. The guy that stops the tractor and moves a killdeer nest on the ground out of the way so it doesnít get smashed, or the guy that gets off the swather and moves the two day old fawn so it doesnít get ran over, or the guy that swerves going 60 down a dirt road to miss a snake that is just doing what heís doing. We are those people!!!


Absolutely, I donít know how many baby turtles Iíve helped across the road.


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Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997761
09/23/20 07:46 AM
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Is it just me or has the thought crossed anyone else's mind Petr is really just James coming out of the closet? Lol

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Re: Petr [Re: Petr] #6997771
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Originally Posted by Petr
I cannot debate 15 peeps at once. Pick two or three of u and I'll prove them wrong.

No I don't eat meat. yuch!


leather boots , coat , belt . furniture , wallet , gloves ?

Last edited by GREENCOUNTYPETE; 09/23/20 08:02 AM.

America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Petr [Re: Pawnee] #6997777
09/23/20 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Pawnee
Originally Posted by Petr
Yes, I have an open mind. But that doesn't mean my conscience is open.

How about u? Do you have an open mind, if I show u the evils of trapping? How the animal must feel with its foot...or FACE...caught in a trap?


Iíll post once on this. Petr, what you donít understand and probably wonít believe is that most of the guys on here love and appreciate animals and nature more than 99% of the people that proclaim to protect it. Most of them are like me. The guy that stops the tractor and moves a killdeer nest on the ground out of the way so it doesnít get smashed, or the guy that gets off the swather and moves the two day old fawn so it doesnít get ran over, or the guy that swerves going 60 down a dirt road to miss a snake that is just doing what heís doing. We are those people!!!


So far, the best post to Petr.
Sharon had a very good one also.


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Re: Petr [Re: Pawnee] #6997808
09/23/20 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Pawnee
Originally Posted by Petr
Yes, I have an open mind. But that doesn't mean my conscience is open.

How about u? Do you have an open mind, if I show u the evils of trapping? How the animal must feel with its foot...or FACE...caught in a trap?


Iíll post once on this. Petr, what you donít understand and probably wonít believe is that most of the guys on here love and appreciate animals and nature more than 99% of the people that proclaim to protect it. Most of them are like me. The guy that stops the tractor and moves a killdeer nest on the ground out of the way so it doesnít get smashed, or the guy that gets off the swather and moves the two day old fawn so it doesnít get ran over, or the guy that swerves going 60 down a dirt road to miss a snake that is just doing what heís doing. We are those people!!!


Lol I forgot that point. Have you ever stoped and picked up am injured bard owl on your way to family's holiday party several hours away so it can be rehabbed and released? Would you even notice the injured bird driving 70mph down the interstate? And I'm sure you would not know how to pick up said bird safety for both it and you or that your wife would be comfortable holding it on her lap for 2 hours in the car.

Ya that's not theoretical that was last Thanksgiving. I picke up a bard owl off the interstate that had a compound leg fracture. I was able to get it to a rehabilitation center the next day. Yep that was another couple of hours of driving to get there. He was released back into the wild in March. That's not the first injured bird of pray I have been responsible for. Let's not even get into all the babies like squirrel, coons ect I have bottle feed tell they were big enough to be released.

You see we live it. It real and a lifestyle not an idea or theory held by someone so far removed from nature that can't comprehend the natural order.

Re: Petr [Re: Petr] #6997811
09/23/20 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Petr
I cannot debate 15 peeps at once. Pick two or three of u and I'll prove them wrong.

No I don't eat meat. yuch!


Don't feel the need to debate anyone. It's a belief system, a philosophy that differs from ours. Please feel free to articulate those beliefs and respond generally to the positive comments made here by several of our regular posters. This is not meant to be offensive but simply forthright..........7 pages, for the most part, well articulated facts on responsible and humane management of wildlife use by humankind and we've had not a single thoughtful or intelligent response from you.

Re: Petr [Re: Yes sir] #6997853
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Is it just me or has the thought crossed anyone else's mind Petr is really just James coming out of the closet? Lol

As much as i dislike James I don't think he would be ainti trapping. James is definitely a thorn in the side of great Americans. Petr was just raised to think like he does. He feels that he can't control his own life so he will try to control others. I really don't think is petr fault he is like he is.

Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997861
09/23/20 09:59 AM
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I can pretty much guarantee that all trappers have given more thought to the treatment of animals we catch than anyone opposed to trapping ever did. We are the ones in the trenches. We've had extremely long debates on this forum alone on which traps are appropriate for each animals and how to modify the same to make them even better.

Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6997863
09/23/20 10:01 AM
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I think we are being played
I'll eat a few more bowls of popcorn before I say the rest of how I view
Petr

Re: Petr [Re: Petr] #6997898
09/23/20 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Petr
I cannot debate 15 peeps at once. Pick two or three of u and I'll prove them wrong.

No I don't eat meat. yuch!


Petr, you remind me of a young man that had no job or money. So he asked a well known farmer if he could employ him. The farmer said yes and handed the lad a briar scythe and told him to cut a large patch of weeds and briars. After a couple of hours the farmer came back and found the lad sitting underneath a shade tree and had cut no briars. As an excuse the young man said he couldn't find a place to start. So the farmer grabbed the scythe from his hands and threw it into the middle of the big patch of weeds and briars, and said "START THERE" !

Seems to me if you are going to join the cohort of Sophia and/or Gaia then you need to find a place to cut the knot and get started conquering the world. It should be easy since your theory fits with the notion that the world is just one big soul and we are all tied together as just one soul. That fits right in with your social philosophy that we are not individuals and just a part of something bigger.
Surely you can set up some sort of an offensive attack against this bunch of trappers. After all they are a big variety from all walks of life and many barely know their right from their left hand. So just use your evolutionary tactics and pick out some of the not so learned and/or weak and start on them. It should be an easy task. Don't pay any attention to the lazy guard dogs, they are probably asleep under a shade tree!

Re: Petr [Re: Pawnee] #6997903
09/23/20 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Pawnee
Originally Posted by Petr
Yes, I have an open mind. But that doesn't mean my conscience is open.

How about u? Do you have an open mind, if I show u the evils of trapping? How the animal must feel with its foot...or FACE...caught in a trap?


Iíll post once on this. Petr, what you donít understand and probably wonít believe is that most of the guys on here love and appreciate animals and nature more than 99% of the people that proclaim to protect it. Most of them are like me. The guy that stops the tractor and moves a killdeer nest on the ground out of the way so it doesnít get smashed, or the guy that gets off the swather and moves the two day old fawn so it doesnít get ran over, or the guy that swerves going 60 down a dirt road to miss a snake that is just doing what heís doing. We are those people!!!



Here's an example of that very thing Pawnee speaks of.

https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/6576944/rescued-a-baby-deer#Post6576944


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Re: Petr [Re: wetdog] #6997948
09/23/20 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by wetdog
I think we are being played
I'll eat a few more bowls of popcorn before I say the rest of how I view
Petr


Petr is the one prolly eating popcorn and watching page after page go by. whistle
With a buttery smile cool


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Re: Petr [Re: Petr] #6997958
09/23/20 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Petr
I cannot debate 15 peeps at once. Pick two or three of u and I'll prove them wrong.

No I don't eat meat. yuch!


Just pick someone and start typing.
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Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6998027
09/23/20 01:15 PM
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Petr, it is always easy to hide behind what you canít see. Unless you feed yourself from a small, self maintained organic garden you suffer the same ďblood guiltĒ that we as hunters and trappers do. Have you ever considered the millions upon millions of small animals that make their home in the fields where your vegetables are grown? During harvest and planting those animals are tilled into the ground without any consideration. Your vegetables are produced at the cost of millions of lives but you feel superior because you donít see it happen! Do you drive a car? You suffer blood guilt for every animal that has been killed by petroleum disasters. Maybe you ride a bicycle, same thing, the tires are made of petroleum products. Do you wear clothes? Synthetics are petroleum products. Only clothes made of organic cotton? Right back to death by farming. Please justify yourself as to how you are superior to those of us that confront death on a face to face basis. Iím sorry to inform you but you are equal to us. Denying it is just lying to yourself.


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