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Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6998833
09/24/20 09:25 AM
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Over populations create problems/costs. No one against hunting/trapping to remove the excess from populations, has ever offered to pay for those costs incurred.

I once debated this with another person from the "old country". He said they solved this problem by putting up fences to keep the animals out. ??? If fences are the answer, where do the animals live? LOL. Too many pie in the sky solutions to complex problems everywhere we look.

Re: Petr [Re: upstateNY] #6998851
09/24/20 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by upstateNY
Originally Posted by Matt28
Well this hole deal reminds me of a lesbian showing up at a party and 30 guy line up to try their hand at turning her straight lol.

But did Savell show up and wink at her? That's the question.

That may have been where she got that Boones farm at.
I dont think yall will change petr mind till we under stand why is the way he is. I am the way I am because of who raised me. My parents worked all the time and I went to baby sitter and they had me 6 days a week sometimes over night. They raised me like I was thier own. They were a older couple that worked for what they had, they had a garden evey year hunted and fished bailed hay in the summer. The man worked a farm the women work the house. They are why I am who I am today. I drove the hay truck for them to load square bails when I was 6 couod barley touch the breaks. I was taught to depend on my self not others. There us a reason why petr believes what he does and he should explain that reasoning so we can better under stand him.

Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6998863
09/24/20 10:11 AM
09/24/20 10:11 AM
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Your never going to change his mind. Just go about trapping and posting pics.

Re: Petr [Re: Hornady Reloader] #6998883
09/24/20 10:47 AM
09/24/20 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Hornady Reloader
Your never going to change his mind. Just go about trapping and posting pics.


Many people can't change until reality sets in. Had some people move here from Chicago and started coming to our church. They wanted to rough it so got themselves some chickens so they could live off the land. Well one Sunday morning they came to church in tears and said something caught her best hen and dragged it thru a hole he dug under the fence. I stopped by there on the way home and told her it looked like a coon had done it. I told her I had traps they could set and get rid of him or I had a gun they could shoot him and maybe they could make him an appointment so they would know what time he would be there. She said we don't want to hurt him, we just want him to leave our chickens alone. I said, then you need to buy more chickens. A couple nites later he clumb the fence and got another. I explained to them they needed to fasten them in a place they could shut the door every nite and let them out in the pen the next morning. Next nite the guy lay wait watching out the bedroom window for a few hours and blasted him with a 12 gauge. So you see people can change when they are put at the pivot point where change happens, lol.

Re: Petr [Re: Petr] #6998890
09/24/20 11:02 AM
09/24/20 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Petr
Originally Posted by JPW99
Yep all these posts fall on deaf ears I can't even count how many box turtles I have helped cross the road so they don't get smashed I know this has been posted already but trappers,hunters and fishermen have dune more for wildlife than any anti group out there.These people like Petr are the same ones think it is alright to kill baby's and not animals AND how did a dork like this get in here I have read the first post but why was he let in sorry it just boggles my mind I have not read the hole thing I am late to it. I also know there has been people sharpening there axe just waiting for some one like me to post but I really don't care anymore trapper talk has changed alot in the past couple years. So what is the count 4+ liberals and a anti now.Just voicing my point of view I like animals more then most people I do not intend to stop hunting and trapping and I hope to keep doing it in most humane way possible the post Sharon rote can't get much better I read a couple other really good ones.It is sad to see posts like this on a great sight. if this is unfit please axe it and me if need be.


U call me names only because u can't refute me. How many bad things have happened to u because u trap? Ever ASK yourself?

All right Petr do you know how many animals were killed to make that plate of salad or corn and beans what ever you eat all the chemicals that kill small animals and insects and cause bird eggs to become soft and give animals birth defects and to slowly die off and go to almost extinct or how about all those small animals and insects that got chopped up mowing that salad or kale or the grass in your yard if you have one or all the small animals and birds that get sucked in to the combine when they are picking the corn and beans EVER THINK OF THAT so maybe you should ask your self do you fit in to the cycle of life in your beliefs. Don't gripe about being called name if you don't want to be called more you have all ready called us all murderers so don't expect to be called some you self. AND the bad thing that have happen'd to me were caused by my own stupid falt not because I trap.

Last edited by JPW99; 09/24/20 11:19 AM.
Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6998894
09/24/20 11:10 AM
09/24/20 11:10 AM
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So its just the fashion industry that utilizes fur?
I was told that in Russia the poor use fur garments because they outlast the other garments.
Is that not correct Petr?
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Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6998896
09/24/20 11:10 AM
09/24/20 11:10 AM
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Petr, you have not responded in the least with logic or expressed any appreciation of the immense amount of thoughtful reasoning and the time it took for so many educated people here to respond to you.

You continue to be loud, repeating loud phrases , like a broken record. Just like that grouse, you are only loud and so cannot hear.

Your grammar and lack of maturity makes me think you are a child , a rather spoiled one at that. Even if you are older, your lack of left brain development is painfully apparent. If you are even in Russia, I didn't know the common people there could have access to online freedom as you seem to have.

Few people in life have the opportunity to have the help in learning of the land, animals, and human development in maturity , as you have from all the amazing ,educated, kind people here , who have extended their hands out to you in patience and time . Despite many responsibilities they have to care for...expending mental bandwidth in your behalf.

Even if you can't see their logic, maturity on your part should at least have you truly "take the high road" , expressing thanks to them all , as real men do in polite action. You have not been able once to breach the high bar and acknowledge these people in thanks. You have not even "taken the high road" and made effort to thank Mr Paul , who so graciously allowed you into his "home" on this forum.

Children are taught to be respectful and say "thank you" when they are in someone's home. You are not on any high road....but are on a high horse.

My time is valuable . I do not allow myself to be strung along, jerked around, or treated badly. My patience is by no means a door mat to walk on.

As long as you are loud , angry, insulting and repetitive, you will be the only one unhappy and wasting life and time.

I sincerely hope you are intelligent enough to never physically stand before a real man , an outdoorsman who is full of masculine power, especially a veteran , and spout the childish words you so repetitively type on your keyboard. Your learning curve will likely receive a crash course in humility.

My time is valuable , and I am done expending my bandwidth to repetitive unappreciative loudness .


Re: Petr [Re: Petr] #6998903
09/24/20 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Petr
U want to debate things of conscience and morality? SORRY I have the high ground.

U leave animals in your traps for 24 hours! Each hour of AGONY. and don't u try to tell me a steel TRAP on your foot doesn't hurt!! Try it sometime with your own foot. FOR 24 HOURS!!!

Sure animals kill other animals. Thats part of the Great Circle of Life. But U are not part of that Circle when you use artificial traps and trucks and so forth. If u caught animals with your own claws and teeth it might be allowable morally, but only for to eat! Not for FASHION garments only the rich can afford

The traps I use have rubber padded jaws so it don't hurt them the cast offset jaws are just as good witch you would under stand that when you think of a trap you think about the cartoon stile trap with all the big teeth that will chop your leg off if you get caught in it I have been caught in every kind of trap I use and have not been hurt in any way and all the animals I have caught kave not been ether.

Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6998925
09/24/20 11:29 AM
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Iím not sure why anyone on this site would want to waste time responding or debating this fella.

Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6998926
09/24/20 11:33 AM
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Re: Petr [Re: Bigbrownie] #6998932
09/24/20 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigbrownie
Iím not sure why anyone on this site would want to waste time responding or debating this fella.



Some might say:
It's not what you say,
It's how you say it.


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Re: Petr [Re: Mark June] #6998937
09/24/20 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark June
Originally Posted by Bigbrownie
Iím not sure why anyone on this site would want to waste time responding or debating this fella.



Some might say:
It's not what you say,
It's how you say it.




Would those some be politicians and salesman?
Just a little humor
There is some truth in what u said Mark if your trying to connect with someone on a personal level more so than on a logical field.

Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6998939
09/24/20 11:55 AM
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Here is a little information you must not be aware of Petr
Wildlife creates damage.
Damage to crops, structures, ponds , vehicles and sometimes human life.
If left uncontrolled it would be catastrophic.
That's why we have wildlife damage control.
Think traps.
Damage control goes on all year long because the damage goes on all year long.
its necessary. That fur is wasted. The animal is just thrown in a hole and buried.
Fur trapping goes on a few months a year. Fur is useful. So why not use It ?

A little personal experience for you to consider.
Early this spring I removed 11 coon from our barn. These were not babies,
Actually I relocated them. If left there think what kind of damage they and their little ones would have done. You calculate how many animals that would be.

Have a good day.
just


Last edited by AKAjust; 09/24/20 11:57 AM.
Re: Petr [Re: AKAjust] #6999025
09/24/20 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AKAjust
Here is a little information you must not be aware of Petr
Wildlife creates damage.
Damage to crops, structures, ponds , vehicles and sometimes human life.
If left uncontrolled it would be catastrophic.
That's why we have wildlife damage control.
Think traps.
Damage control goes on all year long because the damage goes on all year long.
its necessary. That fur is wasted. The animal is just thrown in a hole and buried.
Fur trapping goes on a few months a year. Fur is useful. So why not use It ?

A little personal experience for you to consider.
Early this spring I removed 11 coon from our barn. These were not babies,
Actually I relocated them. If left there think what kind of damage they and their little ones would have done. You calculate how many animals that would be.

Have a good day.
just



I would have looked them right in the eyes as I lined up my sights on there forehead and pulled the trigger. Unless I was relocating them to the local coon hunters club woods. But I dont want my problem to become someone else's problem. And I have had a lot of damage this year. I cant waite to get home after a week ofv16 he shifts and set traps for the rest of the groundhogs that are in my pumpkin patch and under my barn. Them t will shoot with my boys becuse youth deer season comes in this weekend. I will be skinning and processing deer and enjoying my organic sustainable meat.

Its amazing that my young boys 8 and 10 are more intune with the natural circle of life he clambers on about but do not understand.

Last edited by Providence Farm; 09/24/20 01:15 PM.
Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6999029
09/24/20 01:16 PM
09/24/20 01:16 PM
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Skimmed through all six pages. It was of no surprise what I found, on either side. Paul opened the door for a civil conversation yet there was little to be found. I don't believe Petr was the right candidate for this position, but I think the experiment was a good one. One thing I did take away from this was that Petr regardless of his POV could never hope to successfully debate so many at once. Perhaps Paul could nominate two or three to have the civil conversation while the rest of us just read it smile I don't believe Petr could engage successfully in that either, but none the less it would narrow the focus and allow some actual conversation to take place.


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Re: Petr [Re: Rye] #6999039
09/24/20 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Rye
Skimmed through all six pages. It was of no surprise what I found, on either side. Paul opened the door for a civil conversation yet there was little to be found. I don't believe Petr was the right candidate for this position, but I think the experiment was a good one. One thing I did take away from this was that Petr regardless of his POV could never hope to successfully debate so many at once. Perhaps Paul could nominate two or three to have the civil conversation while the rest of us just read it smile I don't believe Petr could engage successfully in that either, but none the less it would narrow the focus and allow some actual conversation to take place.



I agree on all points. But you will get nothing more out of this one than , trapping bad and is animals suffering is why everything bad has happened on your life. I agree with the person that said coon man would be the best man for a debate with this fellow.

Last edited by Providence Farm; 09/24/20 01:23 PM.
Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6999041
09/24/20 01:24 PM
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I am done with political correctness. I am not ashamed of who I am and what I do. I am done with people who think they ought to tell me how to live. When they do tell me my polite side gets wore down pretty quick.


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Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6999056
09/24/20 01:40 PM
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Coonman 220 ( Dave) is the man for the job.


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Re: Petr [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6999070
09/24/20 01:52 PM
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Re: Petr [Re: danny clifton] #6999082
09/24/20 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I am done with political correctness. I am not ashamed of who I am and what I do. I am done with people who think they ought to tell me how to live. When they do tell me my polite side gets wore down pretty quick.


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This experiment must mean something to Paul all though to me I see it as a useless venture. I know there are kids on youtube teaching trapping and I allso don't agree with this like Paul. Perhaps his statement about learning from Petr's point of view is directed to the younger kids of this form.
Im a retired concrete finisher and believe me when I say I have a short fuse. So trying to understand petr in any other way than he is trying to disrupt and hurt my way of life is inevitable. So with that said I'm done with this nonsense.


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