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I have a question about Christianity. #6999223
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So I’ve been trying to connect with god and I’m making sure I have all the logic I need to support myself in an argument. And I found Deuteronomy 13 which basically says to kill infidels... if there is no better context nor further evidence that negates this, what makes Christianity different than Islam, or even good at all if we are supposed to kill non-Christians?

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Jesus died and rose again, power over death, He shed His blood to pay for our sins. Mohammed died, he was just a man.


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Re: I have a question about Christianity. [Re: Gone Trappin.] #6999238
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God and human "logic" don't always (or even often) mesh.

That's why it's called "Faith".

can't answer your specific question. I'm sure there's some context that escapes many, but I don't think most churches hold to the "kill the infidels" doctrine. hardly any, in fact.

I hope you find God!

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Re: I have a question about Christianity. [Re: Gone Trappin.] #6999247
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FWIW muslims dont worship mohammed. They believe he was gods prophet


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Re: I have a question about Christianity. [Re: Gone Trappin.] #6999258
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old testament vs new testament

the old agreement and the new agreement

what the Jews must follow and what the followers of Christ must follow.

under the new agreement Jesus sets down the rules different.this may help https://archive.gci.org/articles/the-new-covenant-makes-some-biblical-laws-obsolete/

also why we now eat pork and other meats that were prohibited under old testament.


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Re: I have a question about Christianity. [Re: Gone Trappin.] #6999262
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Originally Posted by Gone Trappin.
So I’ve been trying to connect with god and I’m making sure I have all the logic I need to support myself in an argument. And I found Deuteronomy 13 which basically says to kill infidels... if there is no better context nor further evidence that negates this, what makes Christianity different than Islam, or even good at all if we are supposed to kill non-Christians?


There was no Christianity until Christ. If what you seek is truly an answer, that should do it.


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Re: I have a question about Christianity. [Re: Gone Trappin.] #6999264
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Well the Bible gives us many options on how we interpret scripture. If we hate people or want to kill them we can dwell in the old testament. If we want to be disciples of fairness, honesty and carry the message of believing in the goodness of God and his son we can believe and carry the message. Unfortunately as reasoning and manipulative humans we apply that which we choose so we can feel better about what we do and how we treat others. This can be done on an individual basis or whole denominations have been created based on small and narrow aspects of the 66 books. It turns out that that has become a good way to divide people and also make fortunes, both of which seem to be what we worship the most and with the most vigor today. Maybe in another 2,000 years that may evolve or change.
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Its clear from the differences in the old testament and the new testament that god is either fallible or the Bible was greatly influenced by men - as were probably all religions. The early chapters of the bible convey a perception of god that was meshed in ritual that today we would probably term pagan (exact definition not correct)

The important thing is to not get hung up on the details and to follow what Jesus taught. To be a good person and to care for one another.

Don't sweat the details, live right.

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Dueteronomy wasn't written to us. It was written for us to read but its a different time. When deciples asked Jesus what is the greatest commandment He said love the Lord thy God, AND love thy neighbor. We are not to put any worldly relationship before our relationship with God. Jesus is Lord. Therefore his commandment to US is to not only love Him but love those around us. Even if they're not Christians. Its hard reading through the Bible and trying to line everything up. But with child like faith and faith as a mustard seed, continually growing, it gets easier. Praying as you read helps and asking a pastor for help with these questions is your best bet

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The chapter is specifically about the Jews and to the Jews. It isn't about "infidels".

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Originally Posted by BandB
The chapter is specifically about the Jews and to the Jews. It isn't about "infidels".

In regards to that time and that situation I might add.

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I don't go to church, read the bible or watch Sunday service on t.v.
Yet I consider myself a Christian.
I believe if I live life treating people fair, I'll let God sort it out when I die..


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Originally Posted by Gone Trappin.
So I’ve been trying to connect with god and I’m making sure I have all the logic I need to support myself in an argument. And I found Deuteronomy 13 which basically says to kill infidels... if there is no better context nor further evidence that negates this, what makes Christianity different than Islam, or even good at all if we are supposed to kill non-Christians?

You have grossly misread, taken out of context, and misapplied Deuteronomy 13; actually the whole book up to that point. I don't mean to come down hard on you but what you are doing is a very common mistake.

This book was written while the Jews were wandering in the wilderness, it was written specifically to them for that particular time; to keep them from going astray.

There is nothing in there directing them to "kill infidels". Read it again without a bias; God is instructing them to put to death any of their own people who start to go astray and follow other gods. Sounds rather harsh, that is true. But for the particular time it was necessary.

This is a good example of scripture that is descriptive rather than prescriptive. There is a huge difference between the two. Many off-base cults have resulted from twisting something that is merely descriptive and making it prescriptive.




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i don't see infidels at all in the passage, but as others have said this is the old testament and has been fulfilled. we live under grace now and should be praying for the ones the old testament said to kill

. 13 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

4 Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the Lord thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,

13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.

17 And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the Lord may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;

18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the Lord thy God.


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Re: I have a question about Christianity. [Re: Gone Trappin.] #6999429
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Thanks for clarifying Deuteronomy 13. Gone trapping had me a little scared.


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Originally Posted by bucksnbears
I don't go to church, read the bible or watch Sunday service on t.v.
Yet I consider myself a Christian.
I believe if I live life treating people fair, I'll let God sort it out when I die..

The question for you is have you asked Jesus for forgiveness of your sins and have you asked Jesus to come into your heart? I know in my heart that I'm already sorted out. I know I'm not home with Jesus yet.


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I can see and work with the asking Jesus to come into my heart but is there a need to ask Jesus personally for forgiveness when God had him put to death on the cross to forgive us for our sins? So that promise from God is not freely given I or we have to ask for it?

Bryce

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This was God telling his people to keep themselves holy and how seriously they should take it.

On another note, God has clearly told us how he will be “sorting” us out. And if you want to be among the wheat and not the chaff, well it takes a whole lot more than to “live right”. The Bible never once says “live right” and you’ll be saved. Rather, the entire Old Testament shows that we can not “live right”. Romans 3:23 says we are all born unworthy to be in the presence of a Holy God, and we continue to be unworthy in everything we do.

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Originally Posted by Antarctica
Its clear from the differences in the old testament and the new testament that god is either fallible or the Bible was greatly influenced by men - as were probably all religions. The early chapters of the bible convey a perception of god that was meshed in ritual that today we would probably term pagan (exact definition not correct)

The important thing is to not get hung up on the details and to follow what Jesus taught. To be a good person and to care for one another.

Don't sweat the details, live right.

Only that's not really what Jesus taught.
That's the feel good gospel, not the real one.

Jesus said stuff like: " You are blessed when all men hate you because of me .." but that doesn't sound good on motivational posters.


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I've been told to look for Jesus in all scripture.
In this passage I see God giving the Israelites specific instructions (law) to fulfill. They couldn't/wouldn't do it. So they were required to bring an unblemished sacrifice for atonement of sin. This was the old covenant.
Enter Jesus. He who fulfilled the law that neither Jew nor Gentile could fulfill. Who became the unblemished sacrifice for the atonement of all our sins. This is the new covenant.


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