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U.S. Executes another Murderer #6999315
09/24/20 08:24 PM
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I'm not turning this into something political. But i believe the punishment was long due. Regardless of his race. He kidnapped a young couple in 1999, put them in their trunk, shot both in the head, killing the husband instantly, wife was still alive. Then set the car on fire.

Folks, it's simple. Treat everyone the same and there will be no issues. In my line of work, everyone is treated the same. I have as many issues with whites as i do with any other race.

I'm currently waiting to go to court over a shooting i was involved in over 1.5 years ago. He is a white male and yes he tried to kill that night. One officer shot before suspect was shot.

Do the crime, due the time and/ or punishment. Sarge


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Re: U.S. Executes another Murderer [Re: SGT. C] #6999318
09/24/20 08:27 PM
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I'm all for the death penalty. I think the appeal process takes way to long. One appeal and done is what it should be. Not an appeal for every objection in the trial. Bunch them together, get it over and let justice prevail.


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Re: U.S. Executes another Murderer [Re: SGT. C] #6999399
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How would you feel convicting someone of murder and sending them to death row. Years go by and of course they fight it and scream innocence. They are put to death, and then, the truth comes out and they truly were innocent. It has happened.

Iím all for hard labor, make life . Itís not that I donít think the death penalty is not just punishment, it is. But man is involved and mistakes happen.


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Re: U.S. Executes another Murderer [Re: SGT. C] #6999413
09/24/20 09:34 PM
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There is NO perfect system, non. The day you are born is the first day of you dyeing. We are all going to dye sooner or later. I think our system is getting better with DNA and other tools we have today. But to me locking a person up and is cruel and unusual punishment.
What these people do to each other can get real bad, day after day. JMO


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Re: U.S. Executes another Murderer [Re: SGT. C] #6999420
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Not only should there only be one appeal but the death sentence should be expanded. Anyone convicted of any form of pedophilia should also go to the gallows. I also think that lethal injection should be outlawed. Bring back the chair or public hangings. Lethal injection is way to easy.


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Re: U.S. Executes another Murderer [Re: SGT. C] #6999421
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I agree and the reason I don't have a problem with long prison terms prior to execution.

Instead of getting mad at the criminals we need to examine the system that executes the innocent unintentionally. One thing that makes us great is the concept of innocent till proven guilty. This is unique in the world even today. The purpose of this is to get all the info to make a just decision. Humans are infallible including juries. Give them time to make appeals and present all positions as time uncovers more. Then....the execution can happen in a better conscience.

Re: U.S. Executes another Murderer [Re: SGT. C] #6999424
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I think DAs should be held accountable, if a person is wrongly convicted. There are too many times that a DA gets a hard on for a person, and sees no other suspect than the one presented. As mentioned, we don't have a perfect system, but there also isn't much of a penalty for habitually breaking the law either! Glad I don't make these decisions!


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Re: U.S. Executes another Murderer [Re: SGT. C] #6999428
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I don't think many on here realize the way the appeals system works in our courts. This is the major problem with people being in prison 20 years before the sentence is carried out. The appeal process needs to be streamlined. They can still have all of the appeals, just do them all at once.


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Re: U.S. Executes another Murderer [Re: SGT. C] #6999431
09/24/20 09:49 PM
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I have no problem convicting based on the evidence. But, when there is overwhelming evidence. Then so long. I have said it many times. i would donate a weeks vacation to dig the graves all day long with a backhoe (very experienced with a back hoe) to get rid of worthless people who kill for no good reason.

I have no sympathy so that is where I stand on the issue. Sarge


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Re: U.S. Executes another Murderer [Re: SGT. C] #6999441
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A young fella in my hometown was accused of molestation by ANGRY minor ex-stepdaughter. Up to 4 times a day! And his ex-wife. The jury had him guilty before going to court. Accused by a minor.
He did not stand a chance. Her word against his. She's a minor so she's protected. Can't be forced to take a lie-detector test. The court told him to take a plea bargain. He refused, because he was innocent. Nobody in town thought he was guilty.
He was not executed, however.

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Re: U.S. Executes another Murderer [Re: SGT. C] #6999487
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I think we should bring back public hangings.

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Now i'm not heartless. I know people get accused and convicted of wrong doing. Heck, I get accused of things by people all the time. Is it frustrating. Heck yeah! It's human nature. But the person who was executed tonight didn't try to hide his involvement in the murders.

People who are later found not guilty should be compensated very well to live out their lives the best they can.

Take the Golden State killer, that old man should be executed tomorrow if i had my way.

Deterrent method i like is. Dig graves inside prison grounds and when newly convicted murderers arrive. They should be driven by the graves with a sign saying. We'll be waiting for you! I bet that would hit home in a hurry.

Also, executions should be done year long. Dig the hole now while the ground is still soft and not frozen. Store the dry dirt in a building and have at it. Sarge


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Re: U.S. Executes another Murderer [Re: K52] #6999557
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Originally Posted by K52
I think we should bring back public hangings.


That is my exact answer to the proper punishment... If you have ever seen anyone that has hung them self or been hung by someone else you would know what I mean.

Garry-


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Re: U.S. Executes another Murderer [Re: SGT. C] #6999593
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I fully agree with you

Re: U.S. Executes another Murderer [Re: Yukon John] #6999624
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Originally Posted by Yukon John
there also isn't much of a penalty for habitually breaking the law either! Glad I don't make these decisions!

In Wisconsin we have a "habitual criminality" statute.

Re: U.S. Executes another Murderer [Re: Finster] #6999719
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Originally Posted by Finster
I'm all for the death penalty. I think the appeal process takes way to long. One appeal and done is what it should be. Not an appeal for every objection in the trial. Bunch them together, get it over and let justice prevail.

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there also isn't much of a penalty for habitually breaking the law either! Glad I don't make these decisions!

In Wisconsin we have a "habitual criminality" statute.


Have always believed in that concept! Had no idea it existed anywhere. Once an individual establishes themselves as an incorrigible career criminal they should have a reduced level of protection in terms of "rights".

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Just for the sake of discussion: If the state, anywhere, has the ability to impose the death penalty, it is a given that at least one innocent person will be executed by that state (it has happened before). That's one too many, it might be me! On the other hand, execution for a capital crime at the scene of the crime, particularly by the victim of said crime is totally justified. Thoughts?

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We spend far too much effort and money on criminals.

Absent extremely egregious circumstances they should be put to death immediately after the gavel drops.
In those extreme cases that seem to warrant a further look, they should get a max of six months for appeals, then immediate death.

There should be no long prison sentences.
Put them to death for any sentence over three years.

We're not here to babysit adults.
Fly right, flee the country, or be put to death.


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Re: U.S. Executes another Murderer [Re: mimusp] #6999739
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Originally Posted by mimusp
Just for the sake of discussion: If the state, anywhere, has the ability to impose the death penalty, it is a given that at least one innocent person will be executed by that state (it has happened before). That's one too many, it might be me! On the other hand, execution for a capital crime at the scene of the crime, particularly by the victim of said crime is totally justified. Thoughts?

So let me get this straight. You are against the death penalty when someone has been judged and found guilty by 12 of their peers through a lengthy trial where evidence for both sides is presented and their is not a reasonable doubt the person is guilty. However, you are all for rolling up to a crime scene and executing someone on the spot with no trial because you think they are guilty? crazyAlso, how would the victim of a capital crime (murder) be able to execute anyone? Ummmm.... They would be dead. crazy

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