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NYs trappers forum #6999696
09/25/20 07:01 AM
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Went to log on and got a forum is in a timeout due to bickering anyone got the lowdown?

Re: NYs trappers forum [Re: Miley] #6999702
09/25/20 07:06 AM
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I believe there was a pretty lively discussion on the issues here last night but that thread appears to have been deleted as well.

Re: NYs trappers forum [Re: Miley] #6999724
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Can you give me the jist of the discussion. Thanks

Re: NYs trappers forum [Re: Miley] #6999728
09/25/20 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Miley
Can you give me the jist of the discussion. Thanks


Sorry Miley, hopefully someone else will chime in, I'm far enough removed I wasn't absorbing the issues.

Re: NYs trappers forum [Re: Miley] #6999762
09/25/20 08:04 AM
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There's some pretty serious Debate that needs to take place between NYSTA, and it members, along with the other 90% of trappers in this state who are not members. Things seemed to have boiled over and the majority of us, including past officers with legitimate concerns, are being silenced by a FEW.

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Re: NYs trappers forum [Re: whartonrattrappe] #6999779
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Originally Posted by whartonrattrappe
There's some pretty serious Debate that needs to take place between NYSTA, and it members, along with the other 90% of trappers in this state who are not members. Things seemed to have boiled over and the majority of us, including past officers with legitimate concerns, are being silenced by a FEW.

Well said.


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Re: NYs trappers forum [Re: Miley] #6999810
09/25/20 08:53 AM
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The discussion has been two part: one regarding a proposed DEC change in season dates foe muskrats which includes shortening the season by a week in some areas. The second part is the lack of communication from the Officers and Directors to the general membership. Many claim they knew nothing about it, that the only notice was in the NYS register, with a limited comment period. The accusation has been made that the JTI committee supported the change. JTI has countered stating their actions were representing the opinions of a majority of trappers.
Opinions and accusations have gone back and forth and unfortunately some were nasty and unfounded.
I do know that you can never satisfy all of the trappers. As a past President of NYSTA I have been very critical of the lack of communication to the members. I do support the JTI committee and despite NYSTA's faults we must support the organization and work to correct the faults. I hope that I have presented this in a civil manner.

Re: NYs trappers forum [Re: Miley] #6999819
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Thanks for the info. As for communication to the members ,Im still waiting for a response to my email about not receiving the trappers post since last winter. In the scheme of things not too important but shows a precedent about communication or lack of.

Re: NYs trappers forum [Re: Miley] #6999825
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The decision was made behind closed doors with absolutely no input from the trappers.Walleyed tried to contact Rockwood numerous times and he did not respond back to him. All the wrongdoings were put in the open on the NYS forum and Von threatened to have it shut down.

Re: NYs trappers forum [Re: Miley] #6999836
09/25/20 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Miley
Can you give me the jist of the discussion. Thanks


New York State DEC Bureau of Wildllfe
has been contemplating changing
season opening dates for beaver, mink,
and muskrat to a common opener.

They had been in discussion with
NYSTA's JTI committee chair since at least
last fall with this proposal so NYSTA
leadership knew this was coming.

In spite of this, they did not inform
the NYSTA membership this was
on the horizon.

Part of this proposal calls for a new
opening date of November 1st in the
Northern Zone for muskrat instead of
the traditional October 25th opener
which has been part of the north country
trapping heritage for at least a couple
generations of trappers.

In summary,
Northern Zone trappers would lose a week
of early, good weather muskrat trapping
that we would never get back, and our own
trapper's association and JTI Committee chair
was advocating their support of this loss
of our 1st week of muskrat trapping season.


This is a change that will hurt recruitment of youth
trappers, and discourage the retention of elderly trappers
who just want to trap in reasonable weather conditions.

Back on May 27th, a NY forum member posted
news of pending changes to the seasons
announcement on the NY trapping forum.

Another Trapper posted news of the proposal's
listing in The June 3rd, 2020 of the NYS Register
where all laws, rules, and regulations must be
posted before they can become "law".

The notice said no public meeting would be held
and a comment period was open for 60 days until
August 3rd.

In prior conversations with the JTI chair regarding
listings in the NYS Register in year's past,
he claimed that once a rule, regulation, or law
was listed in the NYS register,
It was more than likely a done deal, and any
comment period was just crossing T's & dotting I's.

NYSTA leadership and the JTI Chair claims they spent
the 60 comment period canvassing the membership
to gauge the support of the membership for the
season change proposal.

Many in NYSTA membership dispute this claim
as there is no hard data to back it up, only hearsay
by the JTI chair and NYSTA B.O.D.

The "Official NYSTA Response" was sent to DEC,
Bureau of Wildlife on or about August 2nd, 2020
by the JTI chair but the membership remains in the dark
as to what was contained in the above document.

Despite numerous calls for the document to be released,
NYSTA & the JTI chair have refused calls for transparency,
full disclosure, and accountability regarding the need
to let the rank & file membership know
what their association is advocating for
on the NYSTA membership's behalf.

We know a lot of New York Northern Zone
muskrat trappers that are NOT HAPPY
that NYSTA has advocated away a week of
their traditional muskrat trapping season without
their agreement or consent

That's to say nothing of the 90% of
New York State trappers who ARE NOT
NYSTA members who are also
not happy with this betrayal of trust.

That's the gist of it in a nutshell
by someone who is going to lose
a week of their trapping season if the
proposal goes through.

All in my opinion, of course.

walleyed


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NYSTA: Stop trying to steal our rat season !

Re: NYs trappers forum [Re: Miley] #7000076
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Sad to say but there are other trapper associations the same way.

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There is a new NY Forum. I am going to ask Mr. Dobbins if we would post a link for us.

Re: NYs trappers forum [Re: Starcraft_Dart] #7000230
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Originally Posted by Starcraft_Dart
There is a new NY Forum. I am going to ask Mr. Dobbins if we would post a link for us.


Sure, go ahead.



Re: NYs trappers forum [Re: Miley] #7000243
09/25/20 05:30 PM
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This is a link to a new New York Trapper Forum.

New York Trapper Forum


I don't make the same mistake twice. I make it like five or six times, you know, just to be sure.
Re: NYs trappers forum [Re: Miley] #7000252
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I don't know how to post a link, could you do it on the first page so Walleyed and the rest can see it? thanks

Re: NYs trappers forum [Re: Starcraft_Dart] #7000722
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Wayne Jones has re-activated the NY trapping forum
and allowed we dissident trappers come out of the corner,
and remove our dunce caps.

Whether we have learned our lesson
And: "Got Our Mind Right" (like in Cool Hand Luke)
has yet to be determined. laugh

Film at 11:00.

Stay tuned fellow trappers.

walleyed


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NYSTA: Stop trying to steal our rat season !

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I hope you learned your lesson Bob... grin


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Re: NYs trappers forum [Re: walleyed] #7000999
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Are you sending Wayne a box of bonbons!

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Originally Posted by walleyed
Wayne Jones has re-activated the NY trapping forum
and allowed we dissident trappers come out of the corner,
and remove our dunce caps.

Whether we have learned our lesson
And: "Got Our Mind Right" (like in Cool Hand Luke)
has yet to be determined. laugh

Film at 11:00.

Stay tuned fellow trappers.

walleyed

"Yer losin a week at the beginin of yer mushrat season" OK,,shakin the bush BOSS,,,,shakin the bush.


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Re: NYs trappers forum [Re: Miley] #7001028
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When the representatives are elected the way you deal with not being listened to is vote them out. Of course that only works if someone wants to run against them.




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