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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7000019
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Lets say I send GFW 5 random dried western cats for this program.Can anyone tell me what would the process be for them to sell them for me ?

Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM [Re: Dirt] #7000021
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by wissmiss
I would assume Groenewald (and most other international dealers) sell in matched bundles. The size of the bundle depending on the intended purpose. Fewer pelts for a vest, more pelts for a full length coat.

I haven’t studied Groenewald ‘s plan thoroughly, so I don’t know exactly what he is proposing but given the current state of fur prices, having another option for selling pelts can’t hurt. In fact, for trappers with better quality western bobcats, it might be a good idea.

We won’t know for quite some time, maybe even a year, how this is going to work, so we will just have to wait. I’m sure multiple trappers will participate in his plan.


If fur dealer A sells fur cheaper to end users, then fur dealer B will have to meet the new lower prices. Seller A just set the market price. Trapper loses.

Dirt, That works both ways, If fur dealer "A" pays more money for a particular pelt than fur dealer "B", the trapper wins! The total guarantee and complete protection from "getting less" that you're looking for is just not a realistic expectation, from any market for any type of traded goods. You appear to have a pretty negative outlook and I can understand it from the current state of the fur market. But, that's life's up's and down's. Just don't trap when it's not worth the expense.

Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM [Re: Slick Pan] #7000022
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Call GFW and ask them the procedures.

Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7000041
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Thank you all for the kind words and I understand some of your concerns.

Here is how the process will work
1: ship your western cats to GFW with name address phone number and license number
2: we will put additional tag on each skin to identify back to trapper
3: once we get enough quantity we will apply cites and ship skins to Europe
4: once skins arrive to Europe I will dress all of the skins. (This is for your best interest as once skins are dressed with brightener the cats look clearer and better) dressing skins takes around 20 days
5: we will lot the skins by size, color, grade, etc.
6: the buyers will be informed the skins are ready
7: buyers will come to check skins
8: once skins are sold and GFW has been paid. We will send you your check with your grades and prices the skins sold for

I have spoke with many good western bobcat customers over the last few months throughout Europe and they are excited about this new process. Dressed ready available skins close to the customer is how we feel the future of this business will be. We are doing it on many items now in China as well.

Better bobcats are one of the few items that is still in good demand in this industry. I can’t set the market prices but my job will be to get you the most money for wherever the market is. My goal with this entire program is to put these skins in the hands of the right people who really need them. Our service and marketing method is top notch!

As always, thank you for all the support and I look forward to working with you.
Feel free to call me with any other questions.

Bryce

Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7000065
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How can you pay to dress the skins,and still pay the trapper what they sold for,minus your $25 presumably?You must be able to get them dressed very cheaply if $25 dollars covers the cost of dressing and your overhead and leave a profit?
Or am I missing something.


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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7000068
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what happens if something happens in tanning process and damages the pelt.....trappers pays for it by down graded pelt?? should slip marks or sewing show in finished pelts the pelt is down graded? what happens if the dresser damages pelt during tanning process? can the trapper set a minimum price? one the cat tanned its useless to to get back and then try to sell on state sales?

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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7000073
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We will finance the dressing but obviously that will come off of the sold price. We have insurance and the tanneries have insurance. For many years now we have been dressing our bobcats before selling. All of the skins I have sold this year have been done this way.

Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7000079
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thank you, but you will not be paying for raw pelts now? ( or the buyers of them?) now you will be grading them and buying them after tanning process correct? basically acting as an agent, like the auction houses?

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Originally Posted by wallfur
thank you but you not be paying for raw pelts now ( buyers of them?) now you will be grading them and buying them after tanning process correct? basically acting as an agent, like the auction houses?


The skins will be put in lots and sold after dressing. We have found this to be the best method for selling bobcats. If a customer receives an order the skins are right there available for them ready to manufacture.

Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM [Re: wallfur] #7000096
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Originally Posted by wallfur
thank you, but you will not be paying for raw pelts now? ( or the buyers of them?) now you will be grading them and buying them after tanning process correct? basically acting as an agent, like the auction houses?


Yes kind of like an agent. Providing a better service at a much cheaper cost than an auction house which will in the end benefit the trapper.

Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7000101
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will you be running a route to pick up western cats? shipping 100 or bundle of cats adds up? not trying to be negative and I applaud your efforts for the fur trade!

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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7000116
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Its an interesting concept.
People will have to try your service and then decide whether its better than a raw fur auction or not.
Times change and we have to adapt to keep the industry viable.


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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM [Re: wallfur] #7000118
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Originally Posted by wallfur
will you be running a route to pick up western cats? shipping 100 or bundle of cats adds up? not trying to be negative and I applaud your efforts for the fur trade!


Contact me if you’re interested in marketing with us and we will work something out for shipping.

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ok have roughly 50 now and season just around the corner......thank you

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Sounds like a PT sale? I thought we didn't like those?


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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7000135
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depends on who benefits the most! lol ....the cat market is not going to be pretty this year.

Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM [Re: wallfur] #7000145
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Originally Posted by wallfur
depends on who benefits the most! lol ....the cat market is not going to be pretty this year.



Originally Posted by wallfur
what happens if something happens in tanning process and damages the pelt.....trappers pays for it by down graded pelt?? should slip marks or sewing show in finished pelts the pelt is down graded? what happens if the dresser damages pelt during tanning process? can the trapper set a minimum price? one the cat tanned its useless to to get back and then try to sell on state sales?


You know how most tanneries operate. Tan at your risk. It is risky.


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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7000153
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All dressing plants have a percentage of what they call blowout in the dressing process.
It is around 5 % when a new dressing plant is starting up.It is considerably less in established dressers and dyers,less than 1%.
Pelts wrecked at the dressing plant that is not due to poor skins to begin with are covered by the plant.
Most blowout at a fur dressing plant is due to the fleshers who operate the shaving machines.That is why the second highest paid position at a fur dressers is head flesher.Established dressers wont be in buisness long if there is excessive blowout.


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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7000192
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yes dirt ...I agree tanning is very risky! I would prefer to sell raw skins.

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Originally Posted by wallfur
yes dirt ...I agree tanning is very risky! I would prefer to sell raw skins.


I have used 3 tanners. 2 I fired. The other one is on thin ice. I once asked the local furbuyer/FHA agent which tannery he prefered. He said the one he wasn't mad at right now! smile


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