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Re: Blue Grouse (aka Dusky Grouse) [Re: Gulo] #7009783
10/05/20 08:48 PM
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Here is a picture of blues next to sharpies for a size comparison. The blues here are eating dandelion first thing in the morning now and Sharpies are eating some green forbs and grasshoppers.

Re: Blue Grouse (aka Dusky Grouse) [Re: Gulo] #7009797
10/05/20 09:02 PM
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The blues look quite a bit bigger than the sharptails in that pic.


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Re: Blue Grouse (aka Dusky Grouse) [Re: Gulo] #7009813
10/05/20 09:08 PM
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Nice pic Range! Blues are on my bucket list. Seen them many times elk hunting but would love to hunt them with a dog. Sharpies are one of my favorites. Hopefully be in Nebraska in a few weeks walking my rear off hunting them

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Re: Blue Grouse (aka Dusky Grouse) [Re: Gulo] #7009828
10/05/20 09:14 PM
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When i lived in Montana we would shoot plenty with judo points while elk hunting.Good time's and good over the campfire.

Re: Blue Grouse (aka Dusky Grouse) [Re: Gulo] #7009847
10/05/20 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Gulo
Boco -

I weighed each of the last few birds taken. Only 2 were adults and they were at 2 lbs, 1 oz; and 2.0 lbs 0 oz. The YOY birds were 1 lb, 13.5 oz; 1 lb, 14.0 oz; 2 lb, 3.0 oz; 2 lb, 1 oz.
(Adults at 836 and 907 grams; YOY at 836, 850, 992, and 935 grams). Our spruce grouse are barely a pound down here, so the blues are nearly twice the mass.

Jack


That’s interesting! It’s never ever ever crossed my mind to weigh a grouse. Lol.

How do you tell the difference between an adult and a YOY if the YOY can be bigger than adults?


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Re: Blue Grouse (aka Dusky Grouse) [Re: Gulo] #7009883
10/05/20 09:43 PM
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Bocco I half lived on the shore of Lake Superior all my life. My friend says he sees them all the time?

Re: Blue Grouse (aka Dusky Grouse) [Re: Jurassic Park] #7009903
10/05/20 09:57 PM
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"That’s interesting! It’s never ever ever crossed my mind to weigh a grouse. Lol.

How do you tell the difference between an adult and a YOY if the YOY can be bigger than adults?" - Quote from Jurassic Park


As White17 and others will attest, I weigh and measure 'bout everything. All data (anecdata) go into my little Rite-in-the-Rain notebooks, of which I've got several hundred that I've been keeping since 1969. On the grouse, easy to tell YOY birds from adults based on the amount of pin-feathers and incomplete ossification of the rear skull plate. Also, replacement, growth, and wear on the primaries is very different on the two age classes.

On these recent birds, I filleted the breasts and took the legs (deboned). Also the gizzards, livers and hearts. All told, had 2 lbs, 15 ounces of pure meat from those 4 YOY birds, equating to precisely 36.9% of live weight yield in pure meat.

And yes, White17, they do go to mass, then they go into my mess.

Jack


Re: Blue Grouse (aka Dusky Grouse) [Re: Gulo] #7009947
10/05/20 10:20 PM
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Gulo, do only YOY have pin feathers or is it something they’ll have each year, just less the older they are?

And when you’re looking at their skull, are you scalping them and looking at the bone directly or analyzing it through the feathers?
Thanks!


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Re: Blue Grouse (aka Dusky Grouse) [Re: Gulo] #7009952
10/05/20 10:21 PM
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Nice birds Gulo. Gotta love the great fall weather we are having right now.
White 17, that bird is on my bucket list.
Thanks for sharing the pictures.

Re: Blue Grouse (aka Dusky Grouse) [Re: Gulo] #7009975
10/05/20 10:38 PM
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Anyone kill and eat a franklin grouse.Apparently they also resemble a spruce grouse.


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Re: Blue Grouse (aka Dusky Grouse) [Re: Gulo] #7009988
10/05/20 10:55 PM
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It's my understanding that the franklin and spruce grouse are one and the same.


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Re: Blue Grouse (aka Dusky Grouse) [Re: Boco] #7009989
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Originally Posted by Boco
Anyone kill and eat a franklin grouse.Apparently they also resemble a spruce grouse.

Aren't Franklins are just a variety of Spruce grouse that lives in B.C. and southward?


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Re: Blue Grouse (aka Dusky Grouse) [Re: Gulo] #7010010
10/05/20 11:13 PM
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They are a subspecies then,like a red grouse (heather grouse) is a subspecies of the ptarmigan(willow grouse)?
Our spruce grouse dont make that loud gunshot sound like the franklins on vid.

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