Re: Deer crop damage thread
[Re: jbyrd63]
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10/06/20 12:33 PM
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Dirty D
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We have 12 "crop damage" deer permits on our lease. That is one of the conditions in getting the land. We have to kill at least 10 antlerless deer are we don't get it the next year. BUT they have to be taken during a legal hunt and killed with what ever weapon is legal at the time . Also they are for antlerless only . The tags are issued to the land owner who then gives them to us. Only 5 tags per hunter can be used during a season.
BUT there is a pumpkin farmer here that does have a shoot on site permit because the does will take a bite out of his pumpkins and they are junk after that. I've got a guy hunting my place now, he passed on deer last year cause they had fawns with them. I need to explain to him I let him on here to shoot the deer. If he's going to pass on a legal deer I'll have to find someone who won't.
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Re: Deer crop damage thread
[Re: Dirty D]
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10/06/20 12:49 PM
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Rye
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I've stood in DNR meetings here in NC and listened to farmers complain about crop damage. I immediately offered to help them with their issue (meat hunter) They rolled their eyes and moved on. You can't work with that mentality. Hard to say where they are coming from. If I was you I'd talk to them one on one after the meeting and see what their thoughts are on letting you hunt their land. Maybe they had bad experiences with hunters cutting fences, driving on crops etc etc. Or maybe they allowed hunting in the past and the hunter only shot one Buck and quit. Maybe they see hunters as an ineffective way to thin the herd. I don't know the rules and regs in your area but if you could convince the landowner that your all about killing any and all deer that cross your path. Hard to say, a one on one respectful conversation often teaches alot if you'll listen to what they say. After the meeting I did approach him. I was immediately judged for my attire (button down shirt/slacks) and dismissed. His mistake. Ultimately, I think he was there pumping a fuss about something else, and this was a Segway for him. It seemed to me he didn't really want assistance in taking care of his "deer problem". I've seen the same behavior from those with hogs on their land. They'll fuss a storm but when you ask for access, the hand comes out and they are looking for "trophy fees."
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; the world owes you nothing; it was here first. " --Mark Twain.
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Re: Deer crop damage thread
[Re: dkrug]
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10/06/20 04:32 PM
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Who cares if they only shoot one deer, or if the deer is a buck....that is still one less mouth munching on your crops. If you cant find one hunter to kill 10 deer, then find 10 hunters that will each kill one deer. I come from farming heritage and I dont mind saying farmers are some of the biggest whiners out there. Want all the deer dead but dont want anybody on their land...or as mentioned here, dont want a hunter on their land because they dont have the same exact harvest ideology as they do. Bottom line, farmer pays taxes on their land and they can dictate who hunts, but dont be sniveling about crop damage...it could be resolved easy enough.
Having said that, I am thankful for the job farmers do, we need them.
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Re: Deer crop damage thread
[Re: midlander]
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10/06/20 04:49 PM
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Who cares if they only shoot one deer, or if the deer is a buck....that is still one less mouth munching on your crops. If you cant find one hunter to kill 10 deer, then find 10 hunters that will each kill one deer. I come from farming heritage and I dont mind saying farmers are some of the biggest whiners out there. Want all the deer dead but dont want anybody on their land...or as mentioned here, dont want a hunter on their land because they dont have the same exact harvest ideology as they do. Bottom line, farmer pays taxes on their land and they can dictate who hunts, but dont be sniveling about crop damage...it could be resolved easy enough.
Having said that, I am thankful for the job farmers do, we need them.
Well said and I agree
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Re: Deer crop damage thread
[Re: Dirty D]
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10/06/20 04:51 PM
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jbyrd63
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We have 12 "crop damage" deer permits on our lease. That is one of the conditions in getting the land. We have to kill at least 10 antlerless deer are we don't get it the next year. BUT they have to be taken during a legal hunt and killed with what ever weapon is legal at the time . Also they are for antlerless only . The tags are issued to the land owner who then gives them to us. Only 5 tags per hunter can be used during a season.
BUT there is a pumpkin farmer here that does have a shoot on site permit because the does will take a bite out of his pumpkins and they are junk after that. I've got a guy hunting my place now, he passed on deer last year cause they had fawns with them. I need to explain to him I let him on here to shoot the deer. If he's going to pass on a legal deer I'll have to find someone who won't. Shoot the momma first then reunite the family as fast as you can shoot !!!!!!!!
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Re: Deer crop damage thread
[Re: midlander]
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10/06/20 04:54 PM
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jbyrd63
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Who cares if they only shoot one deer, or if the deer is a buck....that is still one less mouth munching on your crops. If you cant find one hunter to kill 10 deer, then find 10 hunters that will each kill one deer. I come from farming heritage and I dont mind saying farmers are some of the biggest whiners out there. Want all the deer dead but dont want anybody on their land...or as mentioned here, dont want a hunter on their land because they dont have the same exact harvest ideology as they do. Bottom line, farmer pays taxes on their land and they can dictate who hunts, but dont be sniveling about crop damage...it could be resolved easy enough.
Having said that, I am thankful for the job farmers do, we need them.
LOL think you are missing the point of deer control. IF you shoot a doe that is up to four mouths not munching come next season . ( got 3 does with triplets on our lease this time).
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Re: Deer crop damage thread
[Re: dkrug]
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10/06/20 05:05 PM
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One of the farmers in the comments said this:
" need to kill about 3X the amount of deer you expect to kill--Deer are prolific at multipling Don't know how big an area you are talking about BUT expect to kill at least 500- 600 deer yearly before you make some progress."
Now I'm an outside observer to this issue, but it seems to me that NO amount of recreational or meat hunting is capable of helping this gentlemen with his problem. Some of you are talking about letting 5 or 10 hunters hunt... what good is that going to do on this guy's farm?
As trappers, we usually talk objectively about "wildlife management," but it seems some of us still have pet species. It sounds to me, as an outsider, than the deer in that area are due for some "intensive management." If they are overpopulated and causing economical damage, then treat them just like rats, nutritia, hogs or Asian carp. At least, according to the Agtalk comments, some farmers are being proactive themselves, and they should be applauded.
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Re: Deer crop damage thread
[Re: KenaiKid]
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10/06/20 05:17 PM
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One of the farmers in the comments said this:
" need to kill about 3X the amount of deer you expect to kill--Deer are prolific at multipling Don't know how big an area you are talking about BUT expect to kill at least 500- 600 deer yearly before you make some progress."
Now I'm an outside observer to this issue, but it seems to me that NO amount of recreational or meat hunting is capable of helping this gentlemen with his problem. Some of you are talking about letting 5 or 10 hunters hunt... what good is that going to do on this guy's farm?
As trappers, we usually talk objectively about "wildlife management," but it seems some of us still have pet species. It sounds to me, as an outsider, than the deer in that area are due for some "intensive management." If they are overpopulated and causing economical damage, then treat them just like rats, nutritia, hogs or Asian carp. At least, according to the Agtalk comments, some farmers are being proactive themselves, and they should be applauded. Populations like that dont happen over a couple years. Makes you wonder if the reason for the extreme overpopulation in that area is the lack of access for the hunters to get on the land throughout the years.
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Re: Deer crop damage thread
[Re: midlander]
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10/06/20 07:10 PM
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Who cares if they only shoot one deer, or if the deer is a buck....that is still one less mouth munching on your crops. If you cant find one hunter to kill 10 deer, then find 10 hunters that will each kill one deer. I come from farming heritage and I dont mind saying farmers are some of the biggest whiners out there. Want all the deer dead but dont want anybody on their land...or as mentioned here, dont want a hunter on their land because they dont have the same exact harvest ideology as they do. Bottom line, farmer pays taxes on their land and they can dictate who hunts, but dont be sniveling about crop damage...it could be resolved easy enough.
Having said that, I am thankful for the job farmers do, we need them.
This is exactly the way it is here. I just looked at Grant county where I hunt. I see some names from my area. I'd go shoot a doe no problem. Here's the issue it's all managed which means you have to stop by every day and sign some book. I realize farmers are busy and that's not feasible. They want to complain but don't want you on their land either.They can fill out a notebook 3 months in advance with relatives and friends names and no one hunts it. A couple of the names I seen I know they won't let people in other than relatives or friends.
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Re: Deer crop damage thread
[Re: dkrug]
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10/06/20 10:32 PM
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This is a very controversial subject between the farmers and deer hunters. I farm 800 acres and enjoy deer hunting.
I will post some gps yield maps from our farms. Shelled a 21 acre corn field this afternoon that averaged 160+ bu/ac up by the county road, and fell off to nothing by the time I hit the woods edge. 5-6 acres were below 20 bu, and that kills your average. It’s very aggravating watching deer run out of the corn, right in front of the combine. My uncle and grandfather hate them, like rats. I am 4th generation to farm our land, and I can see why they hate them.
I watch bucks grow, and I like targeting big mature bucks, especially with archery. Also, i shoot a lot of does. I’ll put at least 6 deer in our freezers per year, and always kill at least 10, and give a lot to friends and extended family.
Our local county farm bureau put together a deer contest to give incentive to kill deer. I am a board member. We gathered $10,000 + of donations from farmers. For every deer killed in our late gun season, we give the hunter a raffle ticket. If they bring 3 deer, they get 3 tickets for the drawing. We notch the deers ear so it cannot be checked twice. After the season, we give away 10 $1,000 prizes to hunters with the lucky tickets. This has actually increased the deer taken in that late gun season in our 3 local counties where the contest is held. If the hunters do not want the deer they harvested, the farm bureau pays the processing fee, and donates the deer to food bank. This contest was put together by farmers, and goes to show how much they are concerned about deer crop damage.
Properties are being bought left and right for trophy hunting. If you have 3-400 acres, kill a few bucks per year off that property, you are creating a problem. Got to kill does. A big part of deer management is keeping a tight ratio of buck:doe , and many guys don’t realize this. Can’t just harvest bucks without harvesting does too. I understand that some areas of the country do not have the deer numbers like others, so that has to be considered as well. I’m not talking about those areas, I’m talking about deer infested areas. A soybean field in June will show you deer, it’s not uncommon to see 30+ deer in a large field around my area.
Please do your part and harvest does too, especially if you’re a buck hunter.
John
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Re: Deer crop damage thread
[Re: dkrug]
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10/07/20 07:16 AM
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I disagree with the State claiming ownership of all wildlife even though 99% of wildlife is on private land and fed by farmers. Let the farmers sell the permits instead of the State, then they can't complain. Here, the State has established a good elk population but it's all on private land. The elk do tremendous damage to corn and soybean pivots, yet the State owns the animals and forbids the landowner to protect his crops.
Life ain't supposed to be easy.
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Re: Deer crop damage thread
[Re: dkrug]
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10/07/20 07:17 AM
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Gary Benson
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And, in today's world, I suppose if a landowner lets hunters on his land and someone gets shot then the landowner will be held liable.
Life ain't supposed to be easy.
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