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big bang was not the beginning? #7010916
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/earlier-universe-existed-big-bang-174323840.html

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An earlier universe existed before the Big Bang, and can still be observed today


I personally have always thought time may not be linear. Instead no beginning or end. (article doesnt mention that but tends IMO to support the idea)


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7010936
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I'd like to see that earlier universe...can you show it to me?

thanks in advance.


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Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7010939
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I personally don't support the "big bang" theory. Everything in our world works together too intrically to be formed by an explosion.
The people are kinda weird though.


I know I'm paranoid......but am I paranoid ENOUGH???
Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7010947
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The idea is interesting to me. I thought maybe it would be to others also


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7010948
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Trying to understand the universe by using math and physics is a good thing.


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Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7010955
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0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34 it all adds up.

Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7010956
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God created everything we see and more.


All for the Greater Glory of God.

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Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7010957
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Yep...

Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7010961
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sigh


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: MySide 🦝] #7010963
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Originally Posted by MySide 🦝
God created everything we see and more.


Sounds like Danny may be considering all was created by design.

Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7010964
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The deeper the dive the more amazing the finds.
The Big Bang is established theory as the universe's beginning, if you asked any person on the street and most scientists. .
Why is it established? Because it's taught in science classes without question?
Perhaps it may not end up being so established after all according to this article.
Perhaps this scientist is another Galileo.
The finite trying to figure out the infinite.
Grand discoveries are uncovered along the way for sure.


Thanks danny.

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Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7010973
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who's to say that God didn't spark the Big Bang with his Word?

belief in God's Creation and the big bang can both be true...


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Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7010976
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Now if someone could figure out why people are so weird and helpless as a general rule. Our ability to destroy ourselves seems to be inevitable yet we're the dominant species on earth. (scratches head)


I know I'm paranoid......but am I paranoid ENOUGH???
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Trying to understand the universe by using math and physics is a good thing.


Agreed

Originally Posted by Foxpaw
0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34 it all adds up.


Xn = Xn-1 + Xn-2

The Fibonacci Sequence can be observed in nature.


Eh...wot?

Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7010984
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Job, one of the earliest manuscripts of the Hebrews, who preserved the creation story beginning to end more completely than any other people, noticed what every trapper sees each time we paddle in a canoe, or seek out a new pinch point..... creation's splendor.
Creation is a special revelation, and that's a blessing for us outdoorsman. Don't you wish more people loved nature? I sure do.

The author of the "Wisdom Book" of Job wrote that Job speaks of his realization that creation has a Creator; Who commands the sun not to shine, and sets a seal upon the stars; Who alone stretches out the heavens and tramples down the waves of the sea; Who makes the Bear, Orion and the Pleiades, and the chambers of the south; Who does great things, unfathomable, and wondrous works without number. (Job 9:7-10).

Paul's inspired writing centuries later explains further; For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress (refrain) the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse (Rom: 1:18-20).

Many like Job, have been awed by the special divine revelation of Creation.
I'm one of those who have stood in awe and said, "My God, this is beautiful," long before I opened a Bible.
Special revelation is sufficient enough to explain the glory of the Creator to everyone.
It was thousands of years ago. It still is today and outdoors folk realize this better than most.
The enemy would have us all "stay inside!"
Not.

Blessings,
Mark


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Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7011060
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The BB and Genesis account of creation are remarkably similar. One says and the other postulates everything came from nothing.

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Just more evidence that they don't really know. That's why these are called "theories".
Everything didn't come from nothing. Everything came from God. My theory is that the energy used to create the universe was part of his being. So, the universe is actually composed of God's DNA at the quatrum realm.


Right now Im having amnesia and dj vu at the same time. I think Ive forgotten this before.
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"In the begining...."
Who knows the mechanics of how God did it.
I think it's great that scientist can show us how big and complex the subject really is. For me, it just reveals how big God is. If I could fit the greatness of God in my head he wouldn't be much of a god.

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Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7011102
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Religion started when the first conman met the first fool.

Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7011104
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A lot of ancient indian belief is time is really a circle


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