Re: ATF is at it again.....
[Re: headache73]
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10/07/20 04:58 PM
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The ATF should be shut down.
Let's go Brandon
"Shall not comply" with morons who don't understand "shall not infringe."
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Re: ATF is at it again.....
[Re: Scuba1]
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10/07/20 06:39 PM
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The ATF should be shut down. I agree and have some very personal reasons however..... Those functions would just lead to the FBI or Secret Service taking over making it even less transparent. Heck.... Even DHS might take over and we really have no insight.
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Re: ATF is at it again.....
[Re: headache73]
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10/07/20 07:12 PM
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The second is a right, unless you accept someone telling you it’s a privilege.
I trap for fun. I skin 'em for the money! Grinners For Life-Lifetime Member, MO Chapter, Den #1 ~You Grin, You're In~
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Re: ATF is at it again.....
[Re: headache73]
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10/07/20 07:52 PM
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danny clifton
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the atf's sole role in government is infringement. infringement on your right to consume alcohol and tobacco, infringement on your right to be armed, infringement on your right to explosives. If you need to blast in order to put in a corner post that is not government concern. If you choose to smoke and drink yourself to death with home made drugs same thing, guns? well we all know about that too
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: ATF is at it again.....
[Re: headache73]
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10/07/20 09:22 PM
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If you forget the fact that we all have a constitutionally protected right to own and carry military capable firearms...
This decision by the ATF is still crazy. Two years prior to deciding that stabilizing braces are illegal, they wrote several letters in response to citizen's questions and said that stabilizing braces were legal. There is no justification for the change, other than they just felt like changing their minds.
By the way, this information is two or three years old, maybe more.
-Ryan
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Re: ATF is at it again.....
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Of course an AR pistol with a brace is really just a short barreled rifle. Anyone who thinks otherwise is smoking crack. But who cares? Is a rifle with a 16" barrel really any safer than one with a 10" barrel? Of course not. Same with the 14" barreled club handled shotguns. Technically they're "firearms", but everyone knows they're a short barreled shotgun. These sorts of things just point out the lunacy of our firearms laws, specifically the NFA. Time to get rid of it all. Exactly. It's all ridiculous. You can't remove the buffer tube anyway so what's the big deal. It's about as stupid as not being allowed to put a vertical fore grip on a pistol and not being allowed to reduce noise to safe levels without payins your moneys and fillin out the paper work. The bullets still come out the same end.
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Re: ATF is at it again.....
[Re: headache73]
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10/08/20 08:36 AM
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to clarify this some
the Q honey badger uses a specific proprietary to that gun pistol brace , the brace and receiver are manufactured to work together
any other AR pistol with brace be it KAK , Bladetech , SIG if the ATF changed the rules tomorrow you could take the brace off in a matter of a minute or so and be legal again.
Also the ATF had approved the Q honey badger brace design and gave no warning and did not follow procedure as I understand it in their about face.
I think this will get worked out , lots of lawyers already working on it.
you are absolutely right we need to end NFA this type of manupulation by the AFT might be just the thing to wake people up to the need to end NFA
there should be only long and short guns
long should continue as anything over 26 inches and short anything under 26 inches there should be no barrel length only long and short
anything >26 should be treated just as rifles and shotguns are today and anything under should be treated as a handgun is today. simple and done a tape measure can easily determine if the gun can be fired while less than 26 inches then it is a short and if it can only be fired while more than 26 inches a long
no NFA registry on sub 26 or over 26
we should also have suppressors with no NFA registry this is a gun muffler it doesn't make them silent it makes them less loud
America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
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