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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015109
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Kill the dealers someone else will step in to fill the void. If there is a market there will be those that will supply
it. Do all you want the government has tried and failed for 30 years. I guess your ok with losses of not only your freedoms but that of your kids and grand kids. Try to think just a little bigger.


If getting caught with baggies means getting killed there will be a serious lack of willing suppliers. Other countries already do this with success. Yes I am okay with the loss of freedom to do drugs, they are destructive to the user and those around them and society at large. Think bigger, the libertarian dream land already exist its called Somalia. You cannot have freedom without order, order comes before freedom.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: rvsask] #7015110
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Originally Posted by rvsask
Alcohol kills more people than any other and it isnít even close.

Iím unafraid to consume it but Iím not oblivious to itís dark side just bc I choose to recreationally use it.

Many people can casually use alcohol, how many casual meth or heroin users have you met? How many people get together for a bbq and do some meth and not end up causing havoc? If alcohol is so destructive it is because it is legal and readily available, you want to make hard drugs the same?

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7015116
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by rvsask
Alcohol kills more people than any other and it isnít even close.

Iím unafraid to consume it but Iím not oblivious to itís dark side just bc I choose to recreationally use it.

Many people can casually use alcohol, how many casual meth or heroin users have you met? How many people get together for a bbq and do some meth and not end up causing havoc? If alcohol is so destructive it is because it is legal and readily available, you want to make hard drugs the same?


Lots of parties at many big money circles involve coke, pot,and many more with no problems. The lose of freedom is yours when someone informs on you or the cops get the wrong address and bust down your dore shoot your dog and put your family at risk.

I'm sure your ok if someone kills your kid when someone plants a dime bag in his car.

You remind me of a classic fud. Ok with gun control as long as it not your pump, over and under, or bolt action.

It's not the loss of freedom to do drugs I am talking about. It's the loss of a ability to buy raw milk or beef butchered by your local farmer on his farm. I guess you cant grasp the loss of freedom and how its intertwined.
Carry on

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015134
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Outlaw all drugs and bring back the lash as punishment for offenders.
Alchohol is part of my heritage,just like bread and butter.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7015137
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Fight the war on drugs like a war, kill dealers, kill repeat addicts who continually cause trouble. What benefit do drugs offer society? We don't have the stomach to end the use of destructive substances so we just endorse/tax them instead? Makes little sense to me.[/quote]
That right there,we don't have the stomach.The only time we seemed to have any coordinated effort between all branches of LE was a short run of the Reagan years.People that say the seizures made by the DEA at our ports of entry are a waste of money and manpower,what do you want them to do,ignore them?Look the other way?Legalization is a joke.My job working for the Feds had me working around LEO's ,some who had experience with Colorado's situation.Not one,not one had anything good to say about.Yeah,I know,there's all kind of gleaming reports on the news media about how wonderful it is.Another,legalize it, tax it.Yeah right,I would.love to know for every dollar collected how many are not.People that have been selling it for years with out govt regs or paying taxes on their sales aren't suddenly going to submit to laws that say they have too.I've watched that first hand here in Michigan. The youth of this country have went from a culture where it was daring to sneak a cigarette from our parents,and sip hootch from grandpa's stash,to getting high,smoking meth,swallowing LSD,speed,and whatever else.Doesn't say much for today's culture.


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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015138
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Donner, I donít know any meth or heroin users, let alone casual ones. I do know many problematic drunks though. I doubt those meth and heroin users get together much for bbq a though. I never said to make them legal, just figure the war on drugs is a gross failure and that scaling back the pursuit of casual pot smokers, maybe cocaine users wouldnít be a terrible idea. All those opioid painkillers are legal too, but thatís okay, big pharmacy is getting rich.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015145
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If there's a demand for it there will always be a supply. There never has been or will there ever be a solution to this problem. It can not be stopped.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: trappingmichigan] #7015149
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The percentage of those who take illegal drugs that cause societal issues compared to those who drink alcohol is much higher. The difference is there are far, far more people consuming alcohol then using illegal drugs. Also there are not many people enabling a meth user but there are millions and millions that enable the alcohol abuser and the societal cost if truly compiled would be alarming to all of us.

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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015162
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I live in a village of 800 where Alcohol is illegal and Pot is legal. No stores here sell either.

This past week we had one murder a high school kid got beat to death. And in a separate incidence had a guy get shot in the face in a gunfight.

Both alcohol fueled as is always the case.

Still waiting to hear of a death or bad accident from a pot smoker.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015163
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Yea,the mexican drug cartels are a real bunch of choirboys I hear

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015172
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They are not a problem at all here.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015175
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The end justifies the means for you I see.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015178
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Your babbling again.

If you want to send your tax dollars to Mexico to fight the boogie man go right ahead. See how well that has worked.

Most drugs come from China and Canada, you know Canadian Mist, Canadian Club , Windsor etc... is all available here. The Mexican stuff not at all... you guys are the cartel ..lol

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015186
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I don't know anybody that is sober because of laws. Anybody that wants to get high or drunk is getting drunk or high.

Everybody has lost a tremendous amount of freedom.

People never used to demand that Law Enforcement be defunded till law enforcement became a branch of the military.

Street gangs exist to distribute drugs. Mafia came into existence to distribute ethanol.

There has to be a victim or there is no crime. People who commit crimes are incarcerated as punishment and deterrent but primarily to protect the public from the criminal.

Drug profits are unimaginably large. The most profitable commodity by a huge margin. That money has corrupted our entire judicial system from the rookie deputy all the way to the whitehouse.


It has been close to 100 years that drugs have been criminalized. The percent of the population that is using has never changed. There have been no positives of any kind. If criminalization was going to work it would have by now. It has only created more problems.

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Worse drug out there in my eyes is tobacco. It had its grip on me back in the day. Easily obtainable by kids. Most can pick a butt right off the street or in an ashtray anywhere

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: danny clifton] #7015215
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It has been close to 100 years that drugs have been criminalized. The percent of the population that is using has never changed. There have been no positives of any kind. If criminalization was going to work it would have by now. It has only created more problems.
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It hasn't changed in a hundred years?You're dreaming.It's skyrocketed in the mid '60's and it's been there ever since.And it isn't all about alcohol


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Just like money is not the root of all evil, but the love of money! Drugs really aren't the problem, but the abuse of drugs. I can guarantee you that each one on this site knows a drug abuser, whether you realize it or not. Alcohol, pot, meth, crack, or OPIOIDS, are all drugs. Just distributed by different types of people. It's not my position to judge others with what they do with their body! I drink a few every weekend, not being critical of anyone else. But am I being a hypocrite because I refuse to allow my young kids to drink or a responsible adult?


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Originally Posted by Providence Farm


Lots of parties at many big money circles involve coke, pot,and many more with no problems. The lose of freedom is yours when someone informs on you or the cops get the wrong address and bust down your dore shoot your dog and put your family at risk.

I'm sure your ok if someone kills your kid when someone plants a dime bag in his car.

You remind me of a classic fud. Ok with gun control as long as it not your pump, over and under, or bolt action.

It's not the loss of freedom to do drugs I am talking about. It's the loss of a ability to buy raw milk or beef butchered by your local farmer on his farm. I guess you cant grasp the loss of freedom and how its intertwined.
Carry on

You are getting ridiculous.

I have no kids, no one is getting killed for having a dime bag, why would you even write that sentence, what was the point? You are looking for the most obscene scenarios and trying to paint them as the norm.

Guns are protected by the constitution, grasping at straws is trying to compare guns and drugs.

I could care less if someone buys raw milk or meat butchered on the farm. I do not think every single regulation is leading to a slippery slope. If you fail to see the difference between a bit of hamburger and a baggie of meth it is not really worth discussing further. Like I said previously the Libertarian dreamland of Somalia already exist, you can move there and have little to no government regulation and oversite.

As pointed out, Alcohol is the most used and abused drug there is, the reason is obvious, it is well accepted and easily obtainable. You want Drugs to be as easily attainable as Booze? You want someone to turn 21 and have the ability to go down to the grocery store and pick up some Heroin with less societal judgement and no possible legal ramifications?

The "war on drugs" has not been a war, its been a BS skirmish. We have the ability to find Osama Bin Laden hiding in Pakistan and send in helos to take him out but you think we cant get dealers off the streets if we wanted to?

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I think it all comes down to personal self-discipline. A body has to have water to survive, but too much water will kill you too. You cannot help someone who won't help themselves.


I know I'm paranoid......but am I paranoid ENOUGH???
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No Buck. People just quit hiding. The percentage has never changed

donnersurvivor believe it or not we are on the same page. I also wonder why cruise missiles don't take out Mexican meth labs and C140's are not spraying roundup on opium poppies in Afghanistan and coca fields in Columbia and Peru.

It is money. Lots and lots and lots of money. The same reason a 13 year old can buy heroin easier than a cigarette. Money is the reason that the percentage of the population using heroin and cocaine has never changed. Big money is why drugs are EVERYWHERE.

Lying to the public about the dangers of drugs makes people wonder what e l se is being lied about. I was told in Jr High that smoking marijuanna or taking LSD would damage my chromosomes and my children would be born with birth defects.

There is no war on drugs. T h e war is really on liberty.


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