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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015463
10/12/20 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
My brother used over a million dollars in public benefits before he overdosed/suicide. He did the math himself, he had a 136 iq and never did a thing with his life other than smoke pot and do hallucinatigens.

I married a girl who told me she was a christian virgin, 6 years later I had a junkie hoe who stole 16 years of work and savings from me and ran off to Vegas with another guy.

My cousin got clean after years of meth, she got that 1200 dollar stimulus check and went back to using, she's dead now at 35.

I wouldn't even flinch going down a line of dealers and giving them their due.

If yall think drugs and booze are comparible you have not been around many drug users.


So your brother had mental problems played the system like a slug and it's all the drugs fault?

Your x wife got in with the wrong crowd and took you for a ride. That's all the drugs fault?

Your cousin got a little money an got back on drugs. Ofcourse all the drugs fault.


Where is the person responsible for these people and yourself for marrying the wrong woman.

I get it its easier to blame the drugs.

As far as someone getting killed over a dime bag that exactly what you advocated for dealers and repeat offenders. Wouldn't your brother, cousin, and x wife fit into that category as well?

I have no use or intrest in drugs and also have seen their effects on family members lives. But I see that as failures on their part just the same way other poor decisions they could make can also run their life.

With freedom there is freedom to choose, freedom to succeed, and freedom to fail.

With the losses of freedoms ( not freedom to do druge) and militarization of law enforcement bad things have been happening.


You may not care about raw milk or a home butchered steak but the government sure dose and I can get into more trouble than those drug dealers you advocate killing. That's what I'm talking about when I talk a out loss of freedom. You have rose colored glasses if you think drugs will ever go away. What will go away are freedoms.

I think your so locked in on your position you can't see anything else similar to our former anti trapper. I hope I'm wrong. I'm willing to explore your ideas on solutions if you actually had a plan you honestly would work.



While I wholeheartedly agree on choice and freedom of choice I think many things in life once chosen take away the freedom to choose. It's a well known medical fact that once acclimated withdrawal from certain drugs is a potentially lethal condition.
Just like the liar that chooses a falsehood must continue his lie or risk permanent exposure so to the drug user must continue his choice to maintain the altered reality.
So is it truly free choice at that point?

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: warrior] #7015475
10/12/20 11:06 AM
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While I wholeheartedly agree on choice and freedom of choice I think many things in life once chosen take away the freedom to choose. It's a well known medical fact that once acclimated withdrawal from certain drugs is a potentially lethal condition.
Just like the liar that chooses a falsehood must continue his lie or risk permanent exposure so to the drug user must continue his choice to maintain the altered reality.
So is it truly free choice at that point?[/quote]


Did they not have free choice the firs time knowing the risk? What about every following time tell the life altering dependency was established?

I don't to have all the answers but what has been going on the last 30 years is a failure but the mission creep and loss of freedom is quite real.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015485
10/12/20 11:16 AM
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In MN we aren't allowed to ask food shelf recipients about their income, work, or any of those other things mentioned. If they apply for food, we must give it to them.


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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015500
10/12/20 11:28 AM
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I think we're polling 50%-50% to lock 'em up or let 'em go.
Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose.



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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015504
10/12/20 11:30 AM
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This problem goes far beyond one person sitting in the privacy of his home,there are tentacles that grow in all directions from the decisions that were made.This takes on a whole different look when others are drug into your problems unwittingly by your actions.Drugs arent going to go away.But it's foolish to think by legalizing them your going to manage them just like you would beer,alcohol,or cigarettes.Maybe the war on drugs isn't going the way we want it to at the moment,but it's a whole lot better than a legalized free for all.


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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015528
10/12/20 11:49 AM
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Well when they legalized pot here, there was no big difference in my life. The only difference that I noticed was the medias constant pot legalization coverage that seems to have died down now. Did notice more open usage. I think some of the greenhouses went out of business, but I'm not positive.


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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015534
10/12/20 11:54 AM
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We haven't even gotten into a discussion of one substance vs another bit I see the pro drug crowd using just the one to justify the availability of all.

I would be open to discussion on a case by case basis.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015538
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So your brother had mental problems played the system like a slug and it's all the drugs fault?


You shouldnt call a grieving mans dead brother names.

You must not have been raised right.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Boco] #7015541
10/12/20 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco


So your brother had mental problems played the system like a slug and it's all the drugs fault?


You shouldnt call a grieving mans dead brother names.

You must not have been raised right.


I see no name calling? confused


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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015556
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm


So your brother had mental problems played the system like a slug and it's all the drugs fault?

Your x wife got in with the wrong crowd and took you for a ride. That's all the drugs fault?

Your cousin got a little money an got back on drugs. Ofcourse all the drugs fault.


Where is the person responsible for these people and yourself for marrying the wrong woman.

I get it its easier to blame the drugs.

As far as someone getting killed over a dime bag that exactly what you advocated for dealers and repeat offenders. Wouldn't your brother, cousin, and x wife fit into that category as well?

I have no use or intrest in drugs and also have seen their effects on family members lives. But I see that as failures on their part just the same way other poor decisions they could make can also run their life.

With freedom there is freedom to choose, freedom to succeed, and freedom to fail.

With the losses of freedoms ( not freedom to do druge) and militarization of law enforcement bad things have been happening.


You may not care about raw milk or a home butchered steak but the government sure dose and I can get into more trouble than those drug dealers you advocate killing. That's what I'm talking about when I talk a out loss of freedom. You have rose colored glasses if you think drugs will ever go away. What will go away are freedoms.

I think your so locked in on your position you can't see anything else similar to our former anti trapper. I hope I'm wrong. I'm willing to explore your ideas on solutions if you actually had a plan you honestly would work.



Quit throwing out Red Herrings, I am not stupid enough to chase them.

It would of been way better for everyone involved if my brother, cousin and xwife got wacked instead of destroying the lives of everyone around them in the process of killing themselves. If I could go back in time ide kill my brother (who I loved) myself and make him disappear so that my mom wouldn't have had to go check on him only to find he had been dead in a hot apartment for a week...

You think I am locked in my ideas? You are the one advocating for the easy uncontroversial method of dealing with the problem, you are taking a very mainstream view. Remember being 21 a bit drunk and stupid? What would have happened if someone said "here snort this line", would you have done it? Are you sure? Would you have gotten hooked on opioids? Are you sure? I've seen drugs grab people who you would never suspect and not let go, there is no reason to make them more easily accessible and socially accessible.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Dirt] #7015559
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by Boco


So your brother had mental problems played the system like a slug and it's all the drugs fault?


You shouldnt call a grieving mans dead brother names.

You must not have been raised right.


I see no name calling? confused


OK slug-my bad.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015562
10/12/20 12:39 PM
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"Definition of name-calling

: the use of offensive names especially to win an argument or to induce rejection or condemnation (as of a person or project) without objective consideration of the facts"

Now I see why you called me a name. smile


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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015565
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Government and other people need to mind their own business. If ones actions do not directly affect you in any reasonable way shut your pie hole and take your indignance elsewhere. Anyone who claims to love freedom but then calls the cops on their neighbor for having a little pot is what's wrong with this country. Cut down on social programs and public services, lower the taxes, fewer laws, let people be.

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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Mark June] #7015567
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Originally Posted by Mark June
One of biggest border confiscations happened this weekend,

CPB discovered 1,816 packages co-mingled with medical supplies. Included in the haul was approximately 3,014 pounds of methamphetamine, 64 pounds of heroin, 29 pounds of fentanyl powder and almost 37 pounds of fentanyl pills, worth an estimated $7.2 million.

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A Mexican citizen was arrested.

I think there's a small sign in the lower right hand trailer corner that reads; "Do not send to AK."



And they let truck loads of Corona and tequila across the border no problem. And that will make it here to kill people just the same.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015578
10/12/20 01:07 PM
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So are we;
A one nation under God, with liberty and justice for all?
Or individuals going about this, that, and the other thing?

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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015583
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Im not the smarest guy on here but I can look around and see what the affects of drug addictions have on society. Along with the affect of a decline in moral values.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Mark June] #7015590
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Originally Posted by Mark June
So are we;
A one nation under God, with liberty and justice for all?
Or individuals going about this, that, and the other thing?

whistle


Does the Constitution protect individual liberty or morals? Should the government be in the moral enforcing business, when it infringes on individual liberty. I love liberty. Most people seem to want to tell other people how they should live. When this happens, people have very little liberty. That is why we have so little liberty now.

The latest example : the corona idiocy.

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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7015593
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by Providence Farm


So your brother had mental problems played the system like a slug and it's all the drugs fault?

Your x wife got in with the wrong crowd and took you for a ride. That's all the drugs fault?

Your cousin got a little money an got back on drugs. Ofcourse all the drugs fault.


Where is the person responsible for these people and yourself for marrying the wrong woman.

I get it its easier to blame the drugs.

As far as someone getting killed over a dime bag that exactly what you advocated for dealers and repeat offenders. Wouldn't your brother, cousin, and x wife fit into that category as well?

I have no use or intrest in drugs and also have seen their effects on family members lives. But I see that as failures on their part just the same way other poor



Quit throwing out Red Herrings, I am not stupid enough to chase them.

It would of been way better for everyone involved if my brother, cousin and xwife got wacked instead of destroying the lives of everyone around them in the process of killing themselves. If I could go back in time ide kill my brother (who I loved) myself and make him disappear so that my mom wouldn't have had to go check on him only to find he had been dead in a hot apartment for a week...

You think I am locked in my ideas? You are the one advocating for the easy uncontroversial method of dealing with the problem, you are taking a very mainstream view. Remember being 21 a bit drunk and stupid? What would have happened if someone said "here snort this line", would you have done it? Are you sure? Would you have gotten hooked on opioids? Are you sure? I've seen drugs grab people who you would never suspect and not let go, there is no reason to make them more easily accessible and socially accessible.



The issues are directly linked not red herrings I'm sory you can't see the direct correlation and cause an effect.

I get it what your brothers addiction did to your family is horrible and happens in the best of families.
News flash being illegal did not change the outcome. Maybe if they make it more supper illegal that will help?

As far as rembervwhen I was 21 and what would I do if. What makes you think working construction as a Union Ironworker all types of drugs were not offered and suggested on and off the job. I'm here to tell you they were and at 18 not 21. So yes I know how I would choose and yes I'm sure becuse I did.

Seems like your playing the left's game of what if.... I'm pointing out what is an actual direct result of freedoms lost in areas not drug related.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015596
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We should legalize all drugs. All of them for adults to use as they deem fit for themselves. I don't want or need the government telling me what I can and cannot do with my body. Likewise, I don't want the government telling you either. And I don't want or need other people pushing their bad anecdotal experiences onto me or anyone else in an attempt to stifle freedom.

Otherwise, let's be consistent. Ban alcohol, sugar, tobacco, prescription pain killers, spray paint, etc. While we are at it, let's ban social media (and I guess the internet) too. I read that it's addictive. Oh, and GUNS! We should ban them too if we are being consistent. Bad and/or stupid people do harm with guns.


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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015598
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There are many immoral things that cause immeasurable harm to our society - adultery, divorce, slothfulness, lying. None of these acts is victimless. They each have long tentacles that have direct and negative consequences on other people and on our society as a whole. Yet, we do not make those immoral acts criminal and punish people for doing them. Why not? I'm sure our society would be better off on the whole if we did.

In the same way, I know drug abuse has far reaching and negative consequences on a family, a community, and a whole nation. But we can't use the good of the majority as an excuse to use the powers of government to violate the sovereign rights of an individual. To do so is the very definition of the "tyranny of the majority". Our constitution was founded on the principles of protecting the sovereign rights of the individuals - even when it negatively impacts the majority.

I think much of our problems in this nation are due to the fact that we do not protect peoples individual freedoms or make them suffer the consequences of their own choices, decisions, and actions.

So, I don't doubt that our society would be worse off if drugs were legal. But I do not accept that as justification for violation of the right for any person to put whatever substance they choose into their own body. Freedom isn't free. There's a high price to pay for freedom. Are you willing to pay it?


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