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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Boco] #7015599
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Originally Posted by Boco


So your brother had mental problems played the system like a slug and it's all the drugs fault?


You shouldnt call a grieving mans dead brother names.

You must not have been raised right.


Sorry anyone that kills themselves has mental issues and his own brother pointed out his choices cost to the system. I'm not going to sugar coat it nor am I politically correct.

I'm also not advocating murder or locking people in cages for victimless crimes. If that's not being raised right I'm glad I was raised wrong.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015607
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Kind of reminds me of the story of the six blind guys feeling different parts of an elephant and then describing what the elephant looks like. Not every model successful citizen is on the straight and narrow. Not every junkie that overdosed would have survived had drugs been totally unavailable.
When I went to high school in Texas roughly 55 of the 59 graduating seniors smoked weed to one extent or another. They also went on to become productive members of society. Bank VP. Doctors, Dentists, Lawyers business owners etc... Yes there were some failures, but I don’t believe the percentage was any higher than any other segment of society. I do know of two people that ran afoul of the LAW and were sentenced to 10 years in a state penitentiary for possession of less than a gram of the devil weed. The war on drugs has created a black market ( can I say that? ) just like prohibition did with alcohol. Which created a slew of gangsters just like prohibition. Interesting side note, in early 90s the Sheriff and several deputies of this small town were busted running their own little dope ring. LMAO over that one. These international gangsters have amassed huge fortunes just like JOE KENNEDY did running rum out of Cuba. President JFK was funded in his run for prez with the proceeds of smuggling contraband (alcohol). OHHH THE HORROR!! As I said before blind men describing an elephant.


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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015663
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I absolutely do not believe you knew two people who went to prison for any amount of time, let alone 10 years, for less than a gram of weed.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015678
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Then you no nothing of the penalties imposed in Texas in the late sixties early seventies. Ten yrs for possession was quite common class A Felony.


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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015688
10/12/20 03:42 PM
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I'm trying to remember the math skills I learned in college--7 grams to a quarter bag...….I can't remember though how many joints I rolled per quarter. I think it was 5 ish.

That's a lot of time for a gram of marijuana, but Oklahoma and Texas were similar in their crazy hatred of a plant. At least Oklahoma loosened up recently.


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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015690
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Strike that. At least 10--maybe 15.


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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Blaine County] #7015702
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Strike that. At least 10--maybe 15.

15 per quarter?? I don't think I have ever counted.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Blaine County] #7015705
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
I'm trying to remember the math skills I learned in college--7 grams to a quarter bag...….I can't remember though how many joints I rolled per quarter. I think it was 5 ish.

That's a lot of time for a gram of marijuana, but Oklahoma and Texas were similar in their crazy hatred of a plant. At least Oklahoma loosened up recently.

And I think it was more of what counties hated the plant the most. Back in 07 2oz would get you a 100 dollar fine pluse court costs in Muskogee County. Thats not too bad.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015706
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The war on drugs is an extremely complicated subject.



Some substances go beyond what someone wants to put in “their body” when said substance leaves a trail of violence, poverty, corruption, and terror wherever it goes. When innocent people are given choices of smuggle drugs or have their family slaughtered, someone that thinks they have a “right” to put said drug in their body is out of touch with reality.


As the “war” is currently fought, it can’t be won in my opinion. That doesn’t mean we should give up on the fight, but changes definitely must be made for it to work. Until the majority of Americans believe in AND support it, it’ll be history on repeat. The People, not just police, HAVE to believe in it for it to work. If The People are on board, then we could get somewhere. Until then, it’ll be the same ole same ole, day after day.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015717
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Then there's the quote I've heard told to vegans and anti-marijuana people:.. King James Bible 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. ------- I know everything is up to interpretation, just saying

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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Matt28] #7015723
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Originally Posted by Matt28
Originally Posted by Blaine County
Strike that. At least 10--maybe 15.

15 per quarter?? I don't think I have ever counted.


That's why I am struggling with this math equation. I don't think I officially counted either. Until it dried up and then I was counting for the sole purpose of rationing.


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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015737
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm


Sorry anyone that kills themselves has mental issues and his own brother pointed out his choices cost to the system. I'm not going to sugar coat it nor am I politically correct.

I'm also not advocating murder or locking people in cages for victimless crimes. If that's not being raised right I'm glad I was raised wrong.


You're a fool if you still think drugs are a victimless crime. I have never been impressed with the Libertarian mindset, I feel most Libertarians given a different culture growing up would be socialist's as they have the same delusional mindset of a Utopia that has proven over and over again to not work. Most of the third world should be a libertarian paradise as there is no laws/rules enforced. The Western world and Enlightenment were built upon the rights of individuals but taken to the extreme Chaos reigns, you cannot have freedom without order, a well ordered society is paramount to freedom. Look at San Francisco, you can shoot up Heroin or take a dump on the street after a hard day of harassing tourist for money and no one cares, is that an example of society you want to live in? The libertarians splitting the Republican party has destroyed Conservative politics in this country, we are worse off for it. Read Platos Republic for what comes next after you institute your libertarian dream world.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7015755
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Bad things happen deal with it. Becuse someone robes or steals to get money for drugs is irrelevant. All that is illegal and it still happens every day.

A 19 year old ran a stop light in a 3/4 ton truck at 65mph and t boned my family killing my son. I dont wine and cry and blame it on the truck and try to make trucks illegal or raise the driving age.

Live in your dream world where the drugs are the cause of your family's hardships. If that's what you need to do to make yourself feel better. I will live in the real world where I know your x and family made poor choices that your entire family now has to deal with.

If you want security live in a prison. O wait drugs make there way into prison also.

As far as what's wrong with the Republican party well they are mostly rhinos. Trumps first 2 years we had all 3 branches yet they did nothing they promised. Pro gun yet shelved the hearing protection act. We have uncontrolled spending and no mention of a budget. The Republicans are where the Democrats were in the 60s.

I see your not one to accept personal responsibility but would rather try to blame others for your family's and parties failures.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015756
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Who feeds those homeless? Not libertarians. I'm sure the drugs are not keeping them alive. Homeless would not last long under libertarian rules. Problem solved.


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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015763
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The most violent and backward societys in the world are places where drugs are part of their culture and alcohol is banned.
The most productive and forward countries are those where alcohol has always been part of the culture and mind altering drugs were banned.
Sorry to end the discussion with FACT.
I am totally against Truedope legalizing drugs here-another lefty liberal nail in the coffin.And the worst of it is once he is thrown out and we are back to a Conservative federal government again they wont be able to put the genie back in the bottle,but I would support them if they try.

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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015771
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Very,very well put


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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015776
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Bad things happen deal with it. Becuse someone robes or steals to get money for drugs is irrelevant. All that is illegal and it still happens every day.

A 19 year old ran a stop light in a 3/4 ton truck at 65mph and t boned my family killing my son. I dont wine and cry and blame it on the truck and try to make trucks illegal or raise the driving age.

Live in your dream world where the drugs are the cause of your family's hardships. If that's what you need to do to make yourself feel better. I will live in the real world where I know your x and family made poor choices that your entire family now has to deal with.

If you want security live in a prison. O wait drugs make there way into prison also.

As far as what's wrong with the Republican party well they are mostly rhinos. Trumps first 2 years we had all 3 branches yet they did nothing they promised. Pro gun yet shelved the hearing protection act. We have uncontrolled spending and no mention of a budget. The Republicans are where the Democrats were in the 60s.

I see your not one to accept personal responsibility but would rather try to blame others for your family's and parties failures.


You would of never said most of what you have said to me in person, I find you to be rather rude, arrogant and have a lack of insight which does not stop you from making poor assumptions.

I have done nothing but worked and cared for myself since I was 15. I have worked extreme jobs and hours to care for not only myself but my family. One day at 9 30 am I got knocked unconscious in a tree, my feet were numb, my hands were numb, my tongue was numb, I had extreme pain in my head and neck, I continued working until 8 30 pm, I didn't come out of that tree until it was done. I did that to provide security to my family, I did that because I took it as my own responsibility to pay my bills, it was my responsibility to make sure my employees got their hours. Your suggestion that I deflect from personal responsibility is asinine. You have continually tried to make this personal and I am starting to find it more than slightly annoying.

For 200,000 years men had the right to seek justice, to use violence against those who would threaten your person or tribe. If someone showed up with a substance that put members of your tribe at risk you as a man had the obligation to get rid of them. I still feel that obligation, I will protect my people like a lion. I understand many of them are weak and susceptible to poor choices that is why as men we shoulder the burden and protect them, we dont watch them founder and shrug our shoulders.

Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Buck (Zandra)] #7015781
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Originally Posted by Buck (Zandra)
Very,very well put

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Re: My body my choice!!!! / The war on drugs [Re: Providence Farm] #7015782
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Good post Donner-and dont ever forget-drug dealers prey on the vulnerable and children-we need to step in as men in both cases.

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Originally Posted by Dirt
Who feeds those homeless? Not libertarians. I'm sure the drugs are not keeping them alive. Homeless would not last long under libertarian rules. Problem solved.



Are you saying it's a self solving problem and a good way to get rid of some non productive members of society? wink

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