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Re: Picked up a new FB ban while already on one! [Re: warrior] #7020593
10/18/20 04:34 PM
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It seems to me that use of social media has risen to the point they have about swerved into the realm of becoming public utilities, which are regulated out the wazoo. I can't imagine the stink if Ma Bell was caught listening to your phone conversations and cut you off they the didn't like what you were saying. Verizon either.

Don't know how it will be done, but I suspect social media's ability to censure what they don't like to hear is about to be taken from them.

Re: Picked up a new FB ban while already on one! [Re: Pike River] #7020595
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Originally Posted by Pike River
Originally Posted by KenaiKid


Sued for censorship. Simple enough.

LOL that's not how it works.



No, its not but the question remains at what point have they monopolized the commons?
Its a tough question for me as I am quite libertarian when it comes to free markets however as a free press classic liberal I see a very real danger in the oligarchy that passes as a free press and social media today.


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Re: Picked up a new FB ban while already on one! [Re: warrior] #7020599
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I guess i dont really agree with being able to sue or in any way punish FB or Twitter for “censorship”.. They are private entities that created empires and now are billionaires because of it. Good on them. They saw just how many people are sheep-most turns out. I havent had FB in almost 2 years and never had twitter. I still dont know what # is, looks like the symbol for a pound to me. The majority of People, at least Americans, are on one or both daily. Its no secret to conservatives that these are liberal ran, yet conservatives are just as addicted. Then they whine and complain when the stories that would hurt their opponent get taken down or theyre penalized for posting conservative content. Now if they receive one penny of free government money, i say fine them and shut them down, this im u aware of.

Re: Picked up a new FB ban while already on one! [Re: warrior] #7020622
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I was thinking of that the other day. They even suspended comments on most news sites. Everywhere I hear Biden is in the lead. How do I know? They just keep saying he’s in the lead and then say he won and the people have no choice. How do we know if they have no issue with flat out lying?


When you earnestly believe you can compensate for a lack of skill by doubling your efforts, there's no end to what you can't do.
Re: Picked up a new FB ban while already on one! [Re: warrior] #7020639
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Tyranny and oppression are fine as long as its a private company doing it...

A handful of tech companies have monopolized a huge amount of the internet and they work in cooperation to censor those with views they disapprove of. They need to be better regulated or broken up, I do not think breaking them up will be helpful, it will just cause further divides as people self segregate into political camps even further.

Re: Picked up a new FB ban while already on one! [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7020643
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Tyranny and oppression are fine as long as its a private company doing it...

A handful of tech companies have monopolized a huge amount of the internet and they work in cooperation to censor those with views they disapprove of. They need to be better regulated or broken up, I do not think breaking them up will be helpful, it will just cause further divides as people self segregate into political camps even further.

LOL how is FB a tyrant? No one is forcing anyone to use Facebook. My goodness this is starting to sound like a bunch of teenage girls.


As far monopoly sure but it would only mean that FB would have to devest from Instagram and any other social platforms.

Re: Picked up a new FB ban while already on one! [Re: Pike River] #7020681
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Originally Posted by Pike River

LOL how is FB a tyrant? No one is forcing anyone to use Facebook. My goodness this is starting to sound like a bunch of teenage girls.


As far monopoly sure but it would only mean that FB would have to devest from Instagram and any other social platforms.


The first paragraph was written with ill intentions and mockery, rewrite if you want a reply.

Devesting would be pointless if the companies are still headed by ideologs who work in cooperation to control the flow of information.

Re: Picked up a new FB ban while already on one! [Re: warrior] #7020691
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The crux of the exemption they hold from suit is that they are not publishers of the content found on their sites. Yet at what point in moderating the content they allow to remain visible does it become editorial?


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Re: Picked up a new FB ban while already on one! [Re: Starcraft_Dart] #7020708
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Originally Posted by Starcraft_Dart
There are some really good Trapping, Hunting and Fishing forums on Facebook.


Unfortunately Facebook is the sworn enemy of all the above activities,
and Zuckerburg is just using them as internet livestock and useful idiots
who willingly contribute private personal data that will eventually be used
against them as a demographic.

Someday down the road these tech companies will make all consumptive
users disappear kind of like the Nazis got rid of undesirables.

Different Era, same methodology.

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Re: Picked up a new FB ban while already on one! [Re: warrior] #7020709
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Originally Posted by warrior
The crux of the exemption they hold from suit is that they are not publishers of the content found on their sites. Yet at what point in moderating the content they allow to remain visible does it become editorial?

As you said before, it's the same rules as this site.


Can it be annoying? Sure. But ultimately it's the site's owner that gets to control it.

Re: Picked up a new FB ban while already on one! [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7020711
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by Pike River

LOL how is FB a tyrant? No one is forcing anyone to use Facebook. My goodness this is starting to sound like a bunch of teenage girls.


As far monopoly sure but it would only mean that FB would have to devest from Instagram and any other social platforms.


The first paragraph was written with ill intentions and mockery, rewrite if you want a reply.

Devesting would be pointless if the companies are still headed by ideologs who work in cooperation to control the flow of information.

The reason why FB is being looked at by the anti-Trust folks is because FB also owns insta and snap chat which means they control a significant majority of social media platforms.

Re: Picked up a new FB ban while already on one! [Re: warrior] #7020722
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Libertarian means means you'll let the strong steamroll the weak.

Now you complain as one of the steam-rolled. lol

No one makes you post on FB. I don't.

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Re: Picked up a new FB ban while already on one! [Re: warrior] #7020737
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I did mention my own internal philosophical conflict.

But I believe even the most myopic observer can see the issues with mass media controlling a narrative.


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KK, wouldn't a violation of Sec. 2 of the Sherman Act (prohibition on monopolies) provide a better basis for a lawsuit than "censorship"? Assuming the Communications Act you reference has been repealed?

By "censorship," are you referring to statutory rights or violation of First Amendment rights?

I'm not familiar with the Communications Act.

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Re: Picked up a new FB ban while already on one! [Re: warrior] #7020748
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I happen to agree with much of what you say, Warrior. I was mainly making fun of libertarian philosophy.

I used to be a libertarian. Or thought I was. Voted that way for years, election after election, commencing from Jimmy Carter.

Then I came in contact with some of the results of libertarian philosophy. This is one.

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Re: Picked up a new FB ban while already on one! [Re: warrior] #7020770
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I've never considered myself a libertarian as I consider it to be anarchist in nature and as much as I don't like rules I know we must have them in order to function. Hence, I'm a conservative.
I just recognize that my ideas on the free market are basically libertarian.


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Just hop on Twitter or even better.... Reddit. Leave Zuck alone

Re: Picked up a new FB ban while already on one! [Re: walleyed] #7020805
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Originally Posted by walleyed
Originally Posted by Starcraft_Dart
There are some really good Trapping, Hunting and Fishing forums on Facebook.


Unfortunately Facebook is the sworn enemy of all the above activities,
and Zuckerburg is just using them as internet livestock and useful idiots
who willingly contribute private personal data that will eventually be used
against them as a demographic.

Someday down the road these tech companies will make all consumptive
users disappear kind of like the Nazis got rid of undesirables.

Different Era, same methodology.


walleyed

I am sure they are going to round up all the facebook users up and send them to FEMA camps and inject them with the Rona......lol

Re: Picked up a new FB ban while already on one! [Re: warrior] #7020811
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Here's an example of big tech altering the narrative.



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Originally Posted by Pike River
Just hop on Twitter or even better.... Reddit. Leave Zuck alone


If you want the wild west of the interwebs 4chan /pol is where its at. Twitter and Reddit and for lefties.

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