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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Dirt] #7021292
10/19/20 11:07 AM
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I think we also have to realize that high or very good prices for very select grades or species does not make an industry as we have known it. 45 years ago 200 early and mid season central USA coons may have all sold at say $25 each. Getting $30 for the better 15 of those does not support an industry but does control the population some if you toss every 10th one away to get the better ones.

Bryce

Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021301
10/19/20 11:18 AM
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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: lumberjack391] #7021306
10/19/20 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by lumberjack391
The OP is asking about the fur market. ADC is a whole other ballgame.


Then yes, itís over, as in Fat Lady singing.



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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021308
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Industry is on it's last legs for sure, but as an end user the pricing for my inventory could not be better and someone always needs a little extra dollars or wants show show the kids how to handle pelts.

Sad this country is to backwards to something that was a great source of starting it so many years ago !!


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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021351
10/19/20 12:56 PM
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A friend of mine sold his fur skun, but green to a local buyer.
He had one coyote he got $60 for. The rest of the coyotes went for a little over $10.
He had 2 buck mink he got $4 each for and one female he got $1 for. Needless to say, the stopped trapping mink.
His best coon was $12. Some they wouldn't even buy from him.
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't skin a cold coyote for $10 and I have a skinning machine.


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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Trapper7] #7021358
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
A friend of mine sold his fur skun, but green to a local buyer.
He had one coyote he got $60 for. The rest of the coyotes went for a little over $10.
He had 2 buck mink he got $4 each for and one female he got $1 for. Needless to say, the stopped trapping mink.
His best coon was $12. Some they wouldn't even buy from him.
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't skin a cold coyote for $10 and I have a skinning machine.


This is the problem, even if prices tripled I wouldn't get excited.

To really make it worth the time to take off work and trap or trap hard before/after work like I did as a teen I would need

Rats $20
Coons$40
Beaver$40
Coyotes$100

I do not see those prices coming down anytime soon. I think if most guys were honest to themselves on what it cost to trap they wouldn't go as hard. Traps, lure, stakes, vehicle depreciation, boots/waders etc.

I don't see the fur industry shuttering but I do see the wild fur industry having a rough go with possibly a couple exceptions for things like bobcat/lynx.

Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021364
10/19/20 01:21 PM
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I see this all the time. People need to get a whole lot smarter as to what to skin and what to throw away. I see mangy coyotes, bad rubbed coons and beaver, blue sow coons that people put the time into skinning and sometimes put up, and take to their fur buyer or send to auction, that is not worth anything. I cannot count the times I've seen on here where someone proudly boasts that "if I caught it, I'm not gonna waste it"! What a load of crap, all it does is help clog up the system. Do you feel guilty (white guilt?) driving by all those dead critters laying along the road? Makes about as much sense as getting a putty knife and scrapping the remains off the hyway! The last thing the fur trade needs is more junk. Educate yourself as to what is good and throw the rest....it is a surplus that cannot be used. One of the guys that taught me the trade when I started buying years ago, told me, " you can sell good fur, it is the junk that will kill you". That still holds true today!


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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021370
10/19/20 01:35 PM
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Great point Lee! Trap when itís prime, and skin the good Ďuns! Buzzards gotta eat, same as the worms!


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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021372
10/19/20 01:37 PM
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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: SE.Current] #7021380
10/19/20 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by SE.Current
I typically would only sell my marten in auction. All the beaver/mink/otter get tanned,wolves get rugged, skulls get cleaned. Everything gets sold to tourist traveling thru on cruise ships.. Iíve talked to hundreds of tourists from all over the world that want fur and bones. so I believe the fur fashion/fur demand will never die but the auction houses may downsize and trappers without a local market might not show up until the next boom.

Some good ideas there. Selling direct to consumers as a novelty. Most of the general public are not exposed to wild fur and bones. Finding a place to do it like you have is the key. If enough trappers did this , it would raise the price on fur to the point fur buyers would have to offer more to compete.


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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Mark June] #7021387
10/19/20 01:57 PM
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We are then obviously heading into the era of harvesting and sorting as to value and worth to time and effort. I have been on this forum for maybe over 20 years and have read thousands of threads regarding not using what one harvest as wasting nature or being unethical etc. etc. Do we need to teach the art of sorting out the good bad and ugly when we mentor new trappers? I also know by waiting two or even three weeks in the markets we have today may lower the number of pelts with no value but they sure are far, far from being a minority of the pelts. It seems many suggest that those landowners removing animals in the spring and summer are doing us all a favor by lowering the population that we are unwilling to harvest.

Bryce

Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021394
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Dumping every pelt on the international fur market has never been an option since I started trapping here 30 years ago. Not a new era. We sorted out the crap even during the fur boom. However, this is not the problem with the fur industry.

Obviously new trappers, need better mentors.


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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021401
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My good stuff isnt selling LOL.

Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021418
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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021526
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Yes Bryce, sorting out the junk from the good end needs to be taught. That critter will prolly die before it's time, if not caught. The only way it gets used then is if you caught it. Dead is dead, and a large part of the population of furbearers will die one way or the other. Trapping ethics has to do with humanly trapping and treating other people well. It has nothing to do with whether you use that animal or not. I do not know of a state where wanton waste applies to furbearers. If there was, they would have to try and arrest everyone who runs over one on the road! lol. For me this year, I will skin my 4&5X coons, and only if they are pristine. If they wont make a select, in theditch they go, along with everything smaller. It's the least I can do to control the population and not load anymore on the fur market. Will try to just trap four species, coyotes,skunk,beaver and rats. That's it, but I'll be trapping and doing my part!


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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: lee steinmeyer] #7021560
10/19/20 06:17 PM
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Well that brings up the real issue by who's definition is "good"? I sold 2xl 111 grade off color coon even 5 years ago for more than a 5xl 1 grade B color coon sells for today. It appears then that we need to teach or discuss markets while we teach new trappers how to trap if they are interested in any commercial aspect of the venture.

Bryce

Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021583
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Guys could cut down on a lot of the junk(not all) by trapping when fur is prime or just coming on to prime.
And using species specific sets to avoid some of the lesser valued species.
In some areas it is more work trapping later in the season,and for land fur it means less animals.

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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021588
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Trap Shed forum ought to be full of good deals, sounds like.

Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021592
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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Boco] #7021596
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Originally Posted by Boco
Agreed Pawnee.
If things more than 100 years old are not relevant anymore then Your constitution is irrelevant too.
Thats the trouble with people nowadays,they dont consider how relevant the historical record really is to what we are today and how things unfold in a predetermined way,to a certain extent,based on what went before.
History is a foundation on which everything else is built on.
You disavow the foundation you are on shaky ground to say the least.
That is why the anarchists who want to destroy the current paradigm attack the foundation first-wipe out the history-destroy the foundation and everything crumbles.


I'm impressed....Probably one of the most profound things I've read in a while. Type it out and hang it on the wall. Good insight Boco

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