Re: In-Line Muzzleloading Accuracy??
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The 250gn sst is my favorite bullet in my encore. The most consistent and accurate primer in my gun all other things being equal was the Federal Champion 209A. I would definitely vary the powder charge both up and down to see how it does. My sweet spot was 110 gns FFFG equivalent triple seven. If I do my part it will clover leaf 3 sst’s at 100 yards. Seat the bullet with one consistent push don’t tamp the heck out of it.
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Re: In-Line Muzzleloading Accuracy??
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Cva accura and optimas have a sweet spot of around 85 - 90 grains by volume with bh 209. 90 grains volume 63 grain weighed with a 300 grain 45 cal non mag xtp ,harvester crush rib sabot and cci mag 209 primer out of my optima give s me 1.5 inch groups . Plus with bh 209 for me no swabbing between shots I shot mine 15 times just to see if the accuracy would fall off or difficult to load. Num 15 loaded as easy as num 1 and a ragged 1.5 to 2 inch hole. Uncle in law runs a accura ver 1 same powder charge but barnes 290 grain tez bullet and sabot about same size group. J
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Re: In-Line Muzzleloading Accuracy??
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MZ powder is measured by volume, NOT BY WEIGHT!! It is very dangerous to weigh with a scale. It can get you killed.
Start out with 90 grains measured by volume and go from there. Yes you are correct with black powder, pyrodex, triple 7 by volume only you don't want to make a pipe bomb. But with BH 209 you can, go to there web sight FAQ Can I weigh my charges ? you can convert the volume load recommendations into weighed grains by multiplying the volume load by 0.7. Example: 100 units by volume x 0.7 = 70 grains by weight. 110 volume charge x 0.7 = 77 grains by weight. I believe i have been through 3 different lot numbers through the years and they have been spot on. I average the weight of 10 loads of 90 grains by volume when ever I had a new lot number. Their granules remind me of a hollow h322 or imr 4198 smoke less powder very uniform in size J
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Re: In-Line Muzzleloading Accuracy??
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2- 50 gr pyordex pellets and you will stop tinkering with loads. That gun with that bullet will drive tacks at 100 yards if you can shoot it !!! . Don't have to clean it every shot !!! In fact the 2nd and 3 rd shot are the most accurate with this load. Trust me try the pellets. Less to worry with . Get it close after 5 shots run a cleaning patch down it , Finish sighting it in . CLEAN IT TOTALLY . Then shoot it. Only thing cleaning after every shot will do is make it easier to load with a sabot. Big reason I switched to 245 gr power belts. WAY easier to load.... Plus if it is shooting that bad why keep using the same load?????
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Re: In-Line Muzzleloading Accuracy??
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I have set up and developed loads for several CVA late models and can tell you they are shooters when you find the combination so dont get discouraged. Blackhorn powder is excellent and very consistent. If you are dead set on using the Hornady sst that you have already tried you need to adjust your powder load. I would definitely shoot a group with 70 grains by weight and maybe another at 67 by weight if 70 dont tighten it up. Primers can also make a difference so dont rule that out, Federal primers might be a good choice as several guys i know get the best performance from them. Using the blackhorn breechplug dont forget to use a 1/8 bit to clean it out but use it by hand, not a drill for heavens sake. You can load sabots pretty easy shot after shot with blackhorn but the breechplug is the key to consistent powder ignition and burn. Harvestor crush rib sabots are another option you can pair with the hornadys instead of the factory sabot, they work extremely well in most guns. With all that mumbo jumbo to muddy the water I would try a different bullet. From a deer hunting perspective, none of my 6 hunting partners that hunt with muzzys use the hornadys anymore, not because of accuracy issues but bullet performance. My current setup is a CVA Accura V2 nitride Bergera barrel, 76 grains by weight of buckhorn, remington primer and Barnes 290gr TEZ flat base bullet. It shoots at 1952fps.
George the buyer says that rats have really stabalized!
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Re: In-Line Muzzleloading Accuracy??
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I am going to have to work on things. I appreciate all of your input. I have another box of 20 of these Hornady bullets so ill probably start tinkering with the amount of powder more and see what happens. I have 2lbs of Blackhorn 209 so I'm bound and determined to make it shoot but I might have to try some other pellets just to see how they do.
Im still open to all suggestions if you all are willing to share thanks again! I would definitely change bullets before powder.
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Re: In-Line Muzzleloading Accuracy??
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If you still are having troubles even with different bullets. I would start suspecting scope mount ,rings or the scope itself. I use blue locktite on just about everything from scopes, archery and even on my outboard. Friend just bought a stevens rifle 22-250 would clover leaf then a flyer here and there. Rings were ok but the rear base on the receiver the screws had back out a touch. You could barely feel/see it. Its a tackdriver now with his handloads. J
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