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America WAS an idea? #7024140
10/22/20 01:28 PM
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Re: America WAS an idea? [Re: warrior] #7024144
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Biden says America is an ‘idea’ that was ‘never lived up to’

By Mark Moore

October 22, 2020 | 7:33am

Biden slammed for saying America never lived up to its ideals

 

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Joe Biden said that America was an “idea” that the country has “never lived up to.”

The former vice president made the comments on Brene Brown’s podcast on Wednesday during a discussion about the legacy of slavery and the Black Lives Matter movement for racial justice.

“America was an idea, an idea,” the Democratic presidential nominee said. “‘We hold these truths to be self evident.’ We’ve never lived up to it, but we’ve never walked away from it before. And I just think we have to be more honest. Let our kids know, as we raise them, what actually did happen. Acknowledge our mistakes so we don’t repeat them.”

He continued to say that it’s important to teach students “the facts.”

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“So I think it’s important we teach history, not in a prescriptive way, from my perspective, but what actually the facts were without also acknowledging that there’s 400 years of racism in the United States of America. That’s what it is. And it’s able to be fixed,” he said.

The Trump campaign responded.

Democratic presidential candidate Joe BidenJim Watson AFP via Getty Images

“Joe Biden’s closing argument is that America has always been a disappointment,” Trump campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh said, according to Fox News.

“@JoeBiden Where have you been for 47 years? America is the greatest nation in the world. We stand for freedom and opportunity for all. Our nation is filled with strong, innovative and hard-working individuals who love this nation & don’t want to fundamentally transform it,” senior adviser to the campaign Mercedes Schlapp said.


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Re: America WAS an idea? [Re: warrior] #7024145
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Here's an idea, Joe can go toobin himself!


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Re: America WAS an idea? [Re: warrior] #7024147
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Google " three red banners"

Then look how the dems write the E in Biden.

Re: America WAS an idea? [Re: warrior] #7024149
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America was a place and people not an idea. The founders certainly understood this and put protections in place to make sure it stayed that way, over time those protections were stripped and here we are, claiming that "America is an idea"... if that were true Liberia would have had a similar outcome.

Re: America WAS an idea? [Re: warrior] #7024150
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in 1773 they knew exactly how a democracy would fail and how it would take 100-200 years


in 1780 our founders were working hard to make a constitutional republic that could last longer than a democracy

it will fail for the same reason when it fails

we have outlived every other democracy in history as a constitutional republic.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”
― Alexander Fraser Tytler


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: America WAS an idea? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7024195
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
in 1773 they knew exactly how a democracy would fail and how it would take 100-200 years


in 1780 our founders were working hard to make a constitutional republic that could last longer than a democracy

it will fail for the same reason when it fails

we have outlived every other democracy in history as a constitutional republic.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”
― Alexander Fraser Tytler


But we have guns.


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Re: America WAS an idea? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7024201
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper

But we have guns.


one of those many protections of the constitutional republic intended to keep us from the same failings as others. the reset button to change the cycle of previous democracies.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
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Originally Posted by warrior
Biden says America is an ‘idea’ that was ‘never lived up to’
By Mark Moore


The first time I heard Rush Limbaugh refer to liberals as the hate America first crowd I figured he was exaggerating but if you didn't believe it b4, 2020 has surely proven him correct.


“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.”
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