long term gun(s)
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not exactly sure of a good way to say it for the title
a gun that will out last you easily and can be easily maintained and fixed as needed that you could keep it going generations with what you could afford to buy today.
I tend to think the lever guns do have a lot going for them 30-30 is going to take a couple life times to wear out the barrel from shooting it a set of springs for 25 dollars and it runs a few more decades a lot of them around and available
years ago mauser k98 sporterized would have been very high on the list , the supply of them has dried up some
the Rem 700 not because of Remington exactly but because people recognized the action was good and made licensed copies of it and a lot of upgrade parts for it
the 10/22 falls into this class for a 22lr gun , you can buy up some parts and make one run a long long time.
glock has got to be the easiest handgun to work on parts all over prescribed maintenance times new recoil spring at 3K
AR15 has parts and is easy to work on
so here is the thought you want to buy a gun to last and last you can't take it to a smith , you need to work on it yourself , you need to be able to basically get all the tools you need to work on it in a tool box lets say a basic foot locker or smaller for parts and tools
if you want to think of it as a 4-5 gun battery rifle you can hunt shotgun pistol gun 4&5 can be what every fits your needs
if your answer is buy more of one gun model and keep spares that is valid also no limit on how many guns you can own just a limit for this academic discussion that it would have to fit in your current budget and get all the parts and tools in a foot locker meaning not a lathe , a mill , big hydraulic presses
goal is to still be having useful guns 150 years from now that get used not just squirreled away in cosmoline.
for use to make it simple the gun will need to fire a minimum of 100 rounds a year so a 150 year life and 15,000 round life
feeding it we will assume you have the supplies to reload for it to 15,000 rounds or more although feel free to discuss that also.
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Re: long term gun(s)
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I would think a firearm that was dec ent quality and mass produced. That way there will be lots of parts. Single shots would be up on the list, for not as much to tear up. It would be like if you had an old Winchester 94 30-30 and an internal part broke, it could well be a paper weight. But there are a lot of the old 94's.
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I feel like I could make a good argument for the Marlin Model 336 in 30-30 or 32 spl
many production guns could be a long term gun , unfortunately so many die as a result of some small part availability
neither cartridge is hard on barrels , both can run cast bullets well that are even easier on barrels I was talking to a gun smith that shot silhouettes league with a 30-30 he said he was over 10K rounds on his current 30-30 barrel and it was showing no signs of wearing out.
both are effective at reasonable range of taking most any game you could run into
9 dollar extractors not to hard to put a few of those away 14 dollar ejectors put a few of those away spring kit 22 dollars 9 dollar magazine spring 20 dollar firing pin 30 for an assortment of screws
about a hundred dollars to put away a set of parts
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ruger single six a spring kit or two and it will be shooting a long time one more vote for the win 94
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ruger single six a spring kit or two and it will be shooting a long time one more vote for the win 94 if Cowboy action shooting hadn't gotten popular I am not sure we would see the avialiability of small parts , screw sets and spring kits for these guns , but I am certainly gals we are.
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Hard to beat a controlled round feed bolt gun like a Ruger/Winchester for durability. So few moving parts they are unlikely to ever need anything. firing pin availability might be the only hold up on the ruger but definitely if there was a way to get a spare the 70 definitely has them available
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ruger single six a spring kit or two and it will be shooting a long time one more vote for the win 94 I have a Ruger Single Six that has fired 25,000+ rounds without needing a new spring. Bought it when I was eighteen (actually my dad bought it for me, with my money), and it's still in use. In contrast, a recent model Sig Hammerli Trailside .22 semi-auto broke the retaining clip on the front barrel counter-weight after less than a hundred rounds. The Ruger is one I'll hand down to my son. The Sig Hammerli is not. Jim
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Colt 1873 easy to work on and even with half the parts broken can still be made to work, but the parts can be easily made if and when you need to
Have a marlin 93 that was made in 1905 and except for a repair man on the stock it has gone without any work except for cleaning ect since the day it came home with my grandpa in 05
No telling how many deer not to mention small game it has put on the table and it was even used a few times to save grandpas life that’s how the stock was damaged
Also have a couple Winchester 94s about the same vintage and their still going strong
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MY Remington Mohawk chambered in a .243 will be that Rifle for me looks like new production extractors have been made firing pin assembly is out of stock at numrich I guess that gets the question how robust and long lasting are the firing pins and springs on bolt action rifles ? the only firing pin I have broken was on a shotgun I was sure glad when I could order up a new one and put it in and have a working gun again.
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Id buy 2 or 3 Mossberg 500s in 12 gauge. Pre- Corona you could buy good used ones for under $200. Not the crappy feeling new ones. Easy enough to work on. Original and aftermarket parts galore. Ive got 4 different barrels. Squirrels? CHECK! Waterfowl? CHECK! Deer? CHECK! Moose? CHECK! Home defense? CHECK!
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if we stick up for ourselves and keep our right tp be armed, any gun you have could last 150 years with modern machining. the more moving parts it has the more repair it will require. kiss
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1. Remington 870 12ga- dependable, easy to break down and parts are easy to find and modify 2. Name your proven rifle action in 30-06- Rem700,Savage110,win m70, Ruger 77 3. Same actions in an intermediate cartridge- .243,22-250.... 4. AR15 in 223 5. Some kind of proven metal pistol. No plastic. 1911, sig220/226, cz75, beretta 92,browning hipower
6. A proven 22lr. This could even replace #3, but more guns are a good thing.
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if we stick up for ourselves and keep our right tp be armed, any gun you have could last 150 years with modern machining. the more moving parts it has the more repair it will require. kiss I have no intention of giving up the fight. this was more a discussion into what makes a long lasting gun and the unfortunate short falls of some parts availability. some manufacturers have abandoned designs in favor of their new models and when the parts run out , it is done unless you can scavenge and then if it was a part that broke often thos dry up very quickly I agree few moving parts and good maintenance will make many last a long time
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Id buy 2 or 3 Mossberg 500s in 12 gauge. Pre- Corona you could buy good used ones for under $200. Not the crappy feeling new ones. Easy enough to work on. Original and aftermarket parts galore. Ive got 4 different barrels. Squirrels? CHECK! Waterfowl? CHECK! Deer? CHECK! Moose? CHECK! Home defense? CHECK! it would be high on my list for shotgun very good parts availability the safety detent spring weakens and they go on safe from the recoil , that and spare firing pin and a few springs could keep the fleet of 500s running.
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