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Cowardice in the pulpit! #7027029
10/25/20 11:24 AM
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Well today was the annual submit to all authority pre election sermon.

Which I heard as vote for whatever floats your boat because the pastor won't say, Thus says the word of God.

The church in America has suborned her role to proclaim the gospel in exchange for thirty pieces tax exempt silver.

Google the Black Robe Regiment and the article on their website describing the Johnson amendment.

I counter with Acts chapter 4 when the apostles were directly ordered to not preach the name of Jesus.

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: warrior] #7027033
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It is so sad that our great country has fallen to these lows......

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Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: warrior] #7027034
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Have you looked into the Eastern Orthodox church at all? I have heard it is much more conservative, I plan on attending once everything settles down with Covid.

One of the main reasons I left the church is what you are describing. This is a subject I could talk about for hours but am having trouble gathering my thoughts, I'll see how the thread develops and try and come back more organized.

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You already know the truth. Find a different church.

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: warrior] #7027037
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The church has no place telling anyone how to vote. Separation of church and state and all.


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Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: warrior] #7027041
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Church's should stay away from politics...period.


The fact that so many want them to throw into the mix show that they want their church to throw in with Babylon the great and join the wild beast.

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Originally Posted by Bob
The church has no place telling anyone how to vote. Separation of church and state and all.

^^^This

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: Bob] #7027044
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Originally Posted by Bob
The church has no place telling anyone how to vote. Separation of church and state and all.


Nonsense. The separation of church and state is to keep the state out of the church not the church out of the state, there is a clear and distinct difference.

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: warrior] #7027048
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Originally Posted by warrior
Well today was the annual submit to all authority pre election sermon.

Which I heard as vote for whatever floats your boat because the pastor won't say, Thus says the word of God.

The church in America has suborned her role to proclaim the gospel in exchange for thirty pieces tax exempt silver.

Google the Black Robe Regiment and the article on their website describing the Johnson amendment.

I counter with Acts chapter 4 when the apostles were directly ordered to not preach the name of Jesus.


You seem like a very intense individual and such a matter has surely not created a fold in your relationship with your Savior. It no doubt has created a bit more work for you but certainly that task is no greater than the reward. It may even prove beneficial in relieving some frustration.



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Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: Bob] #7027053
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Originally Posted by Bob
The church has no place telling anyone how to vote. Separation of church and state and all.

That train has left the station. This is just one example. Almost all of the religious organizations have been coopted by the government piggybank.:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/24/catholic-church-collects-16-billion-in-us-contract/

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: Bob] #7027054
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Originally Posted by Bob
The church has no place telling anyone how to vote. Separation of church and state and all.


The pastor has every right in how to instruct his flock in what is acceptable according to the word of God. It is his primary mission.

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: warrior] #7027064
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The separation of church and state has been misconstrued, in my opinion. The first amendment to the constitution lays out what the government can't do. It doesn't restrict what the churches can do.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.



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There are many religions in the USA. One of the founding principles of our country was that we would be free to practice whatever religion we see believe in. What happens to that freedom when the biggest church controls our political scene? We start losing freedoms, because the Roman Catholic Church will be our government.

That is why the church has no place telling anyone how to vote.


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Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: warrior] #7027077
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I also think churches can lose their tax exempt status if the tell the congregation how to vote, or who to vote for.


"Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes."


Most churches fall within the 501(c)(3) status arena.


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Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: Bob] #7027079
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Originally Posted by Bob
There are many religions in the USA. One of the founding principles of our country was that we would be free to practice whatever religion we see believe in. What happens to that freedom when the biggest church controls our political scene? We start losing freedoms, because the Roman Catholic Church will be our government.

That is why the church has no place telling anyone how to vote.


I understand now... The church and its leaders cannot exercise their first amendment freedoms because it could lead to the loss of freedom. We should pass a law banning what churches can advocate for when it comes to politics.

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: elkaholic] #7027081
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Originally Posted by elkaholic
I also think churches can lose their tax exempt status if the tell the congregation how to vote, or who to vote for.

Exactly, the government is holding a sword over the church... but you know its only to promote the separation of church and state.

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Originally Posted by Bob
There are many religions in the USA. One of the founding principles of our country was that we would be free to practice whatever religion we see believe in. What happens to that freedom when the biggest church controls our political scene? We start losing freedoms, because the Roman Catholic Church will be our government.

That is why the church has no place telling anyone how to vote.



As a Christian raised in the Southern Baptist tradition it would be easy to say something negative about catholicism but that statement is absolutely incorrect. The pope would have no more say over the US government that Franklin Graham or the Mormons.
However, all the above and the Wiccan, Rastafarians, and any group could calls balls and strikes freely in accordance with whatever their particular text says is appropriate behavior for a candidate to office.

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Church is not my religion. While I do attend church, the bottom line is, what is my relationship with Jesus Christ and how do I live that out daily?

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: elkaholic] #7027091
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Originally Posted by elkaholic
I also think churches can lose their tax exempt status if the tell the congregation how to vote, or who to vote for.


"Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes."


Most churches fall within the 501(c)(3) status arena.



Have you ever read the Johnson amendment that gave us that or its History?

It does not specifically say that or directly mention churches. It is vague at best and has a very checkered enforcement history.

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A pastors job is to lead his congregation. Leading isn't always easy but its impossible to ignore the abortion issue ( and many others) that are on the table in this election. John Macarthur in CA is a great example of how pastors should lead. I couldnt attend a church that would even hint at supporting the Democrats this cycle. Any true christian should be on Trumps side, thats just how I see it.


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