Re: Cowardice in the pulpit!
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It is so sad that our great country has fallen to these lows......
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Re: Cowardice in the pulpit!
[Re: warrior]
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The church has no place telling anyone how to vote. Separation of church and state and all.
"I have two guns, one for each of ya."
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Re: Cowardice in the pulpit!
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The church has no place telling anyone how to vote. Separation of church and state and all. ^^^This
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Re: Cowardice in the pulpit!
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The church has no place telling anyone how to vote. Separation of church and state and all. Nonsense. The separation of church and state is to keep the state out of the church not the church out of the state, there is a clear and distinct difference.
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Re: Cowardice in the pulpit!
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Well today was the annual submit to all authority pre election sermon.
Which I heard as vote for whatever floats your boat because the pastor won't say, Thus says the word of God.
The church in America has suborned her role to proclaim the gospel in exchange for thirty pieces tax exempt silver.
Google the Black Robe Regiment and the article on their website describing the Johnson amendment.
I counter with Acts chapter 4 when the apostles were directly ordered to not preach the name of Jesus. You seem like a very intense individual and such a matter has surely not created a fold in your relationship with your Savior. It no doubt has created a bit more work for you but certainly that task is no greater than the reward. It may even prove beneficial in relieving some frustration.
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Re: Cowardice in the pulpit!
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The church has no place telling anyone how to vote. Separation of church and state and all. The pastor has every right in how to instruct his flock in what is acceptable according to the word of God. It is his primary mission.
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Re: Cowardice in the pulpit!
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There are many religions in the USA. One of the founding principles of our country was that we would be free to practice whatever religion we see believe in. What happens to that freedom when the biggest church controls our political scene? We start losing freedoms, because the Roman Catholic Church will be our government.
That is why the church has no place telling anyone how to vote.
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Re: Cowardice in the pulpit!
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I also think churches can lose their tax exempt status if the tell the congregation how to vote, or who to vote for.
"Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes."
Most churches fall within the 501(c)(3) status arena.
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Re: Cowardice in the pulpit!
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There are many religions in the USA. One of the founding principles of our country was that we would be free to practice whatever religion we see believe in. What happens to that freedom when the biggest church controls our political scene? We start losing freedoms, because the Roman Catholic Church will be our government.
That is why the church has no place telling anyone how to vote. I understand now... The church and its leaders cannot exercise their first amendment freedoms because it could lead to the loss of freedom. We should pass a law banning what churches can advocate for when it comes to politics.
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Re: Cowardice in the pulpit!
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I also think churches can lose their tax exempt status if the tell the congregation how to vote, or who to vote for. Exactly, the government is holding a sword over the church... but you know its only to promote the separation of church and state.
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Re: Cowardice in the pulpit!
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There are many religions in the USA. One of the founding principles of our country was that we would be free to practice whatever religion we see believe in. What happens to that freedom when the biggest church controls our political scene? We start losing freedoms, because the Roman Catholic Church will be our government.
That is why the church has no place telling anyone how to vote. As a Christian raised in the Southern Baptist tradition it would be easy to say something negative about catholicism but that statement is absolutely incorrect. The pope would have no more say over the US government that Franklin Graham or the Mormons. However, all the above and the Wiccan, Rastafarians, and any group could calls balls and strikes freely in accordance with whatever their particular text says is appropriate behavior for a candidate to office.
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Re: Cowardice in the pulpit!
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I also think churches can lose their tax exempt status if the tell the congregation how to vote, or who to vote for.
"Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes."
Most churches fall within the 501(c)(3) status arena. Have you ever read the Johnson amendment that gave us that or its History? It does not specifically say that or directly mention churches. It is vague at best and has a very checkered enforcement history.
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