No Profanity *** No Flaming *** No Advertising *** No Anti Trappers *** No Politics
No Non-Target Catches *** No Links to Anti-trapping Sites *** No Avoiding Profanity Filter


Home~Trap Talk~ADC Forum~Trap Shed~Wilderness Trapping~International Trappers~Fur Handling

Auction Forum~Trapper Tips~Links~Gallery~Basic Sets~Convention Calendar~Chat~ Trap Collecting Forum

Trapper's Humor~Strictly Trapping~Fur Buyers Directory~Mugshots~Fur Sale Directory~Wildcrafting

Trapper's Tales~Words From The Past~Legends~Archives~Kids Forum~Lure Formulators Forum~ Fermenter's Forum


~~~ Dobbins' Products Catalog ~~~


Minnesota Trapline Products
Please support our sponsor for the Trappers Talk Page - Minnesota Trapline Products


Print Thread
Hop To
Page 4 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6
Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: Blaine County] #7027323
10/25/20 05:08 PM
10/25/20 05:08 PM
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 2,831
Beatrice, NE
L
loosegoose Offline
trapper
loosegoose  Offline
trapper
L

Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 2,831
Beatrice, NE
The goons we select as candidates put preachers in a hard spot. The choices are a guy that claims to be a Catholic but supports abortion, and a guy that has paula white as his spiritual advisor and cheats on his 3rd wife with pornstars. Neither one is really a good choice for a Christian votes to for.

But it's also important to remember that the Bible clearly states that governments and leaders are instituted by God, and whoever wins, it's by the will of God. And we're to obey those leaders, whether we like it or not, as long as doing so doesn't violate God's law.

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: warrior] #7027368
10/25/20 05:51 PM
10/25/20 05:51 PM
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 2,811
La Vernia & Dallas TX
Mark June Offline
trapper
Mark June  Offline
trapper

Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 2,811
La Vernia & Dallas TX
Interesting comments.

Perhaps the Charles Finney protocol for our Protestant churches since the Great Revival 200 years ago, takes the follower's eyes and hearts off the message Christ gave to 11 of His discipled (Gospels of Matthew and Mark for the Jews)?

... To spread the news that all power over Heaven and earth had been given to Christ because of His death, burial, and resurrection.

We struggle to remember that Church is not about me, it's all about Him. His message. His plan. His death and resurrection.
We're just blessed to be loved and be included in all of it.
Why else send the Son?

Many Churches are recognizing more and more that the missional purpose is outward, not inward.
If your pastor understands the outward gospel directive purpose give him a hug of encouragement!
What if the original 11 had just met amongst themselves, had a good pot luck dinner, and sang psalms of David? No outward?
"Have you not heard? Have you not read?"
Nope. Not without the 11 disciples telling others and multiplying to the billions today.
American Christian census has faded during our lifetimes, but God controls it all so all is well.

Worldwide, according to 2011 Pew Research Center survey, there were 2.18 billion Christians around the world in 2010, up from about 600 million in 1910.
By 2050, the Christian population worldwide is expected to be 2.9 billion, 10's of millions coming from the Muslim faith.

Blessings,
Mark


Dallas Theological Seminary
https://www.dts.edu
https://www.markjuneslures.com/
Predator Trapping Academy Host - 2021 is booked



Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: Mark June] #7027384
10/25/20 06:10 PM
10/25/20 06:10 PM
Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 3,820
Dunbar, Wisconsin
P
Pike River Offline
trapper
Pike River  Offline
trapper
P

Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 3,820
Dunbar, Wisconsin
Originally Posted by Mark June

Many Churches are recognizing more and more that the missional purpose is outward, not inward.
If your pastor understands the outward gospel directive purpose give him a hug of encouragement!
What if the original 11 had just met amongst themselves, had a good pot luck dinner, and sang psalms of David? No outward?
"Have you not heard? Have you not read?"
Nope. Not without the 11 disciples telling others and multiplying to the billions today.
American Christian census has faded during our lifetimes, but God controls it all so all is well.

Worldwide, according to 2011 Pew Research Center survey, there were 2.18 billion Christians around the world in 2010, up from about 600 million in 1910.
By 2050, the Christian population worldwide is expected to be 2.9 billion, 10's of millions coming from the Muslim faith.

Blessings,
Mark

Mark do you know of any Churches actively following the example of Acts 20:20 regarding actively preaching from home to home?

I knew of a few but they gave up pretty quickly.

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: warrior] #7027391
10/25/20 06:15 PM
10/25/20 06:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 87
West Virginia
C
Choo Online content
trapper
Choo  Online Content
trapper
C

Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 87
West Virginia
Our priest two weeks ago talked about the election. He said he wasn't going to tell us who to vote for but we as Catholics were to follow church teachings. Said there are intrinsically evil things in this world and abortion was one of them. When we vote for people who are openly in support of those things we are going against God. I've got a lot of catholic family who live in big cities who are all about the Biden Harris ticket. For some God and religion are only beneficial when it's convenient for them.

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: Mark June] #7027395
10/25/20 06:22 PM
10/25/20 06:22 PM
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,349
Oklahoma
Blaine County Offline
trapper
Blaine County  Offline
trapper

Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,349
Oklahoma
Originally Posted by Mark June
Interesting comments.

Perhaps the Charles Finney protocol for our Protestant churches since the Great Revival 200 years ago, takes the follower's eyes and hearts off the message Christ gave to 11 of His discipled (Gospels of Matthew and Mark for the Jews)?

... To spread the news that all power over Heaven and earth had been given to Christ because of His death, burial, and resurrection.

We struggle to remember that Church is not about me, it's all about Him. His message. His plan. His death and resurrection.
We're just blessed to be loved and be included in all of it.
Why else send the Son?

Many Churches are recognizing more and more that the missional purpose is outward, not inward.
If your pastor understands the outward gospel directive purpose give him a hug of encouragement!
What if the original 11 had just met amongst themselves, had a good pot luck dinner, and sang psalms of David? No outward?
"Have you not heard? Have you not read?"
Nope. Not without the 11 disciples telling others and multiplying to the billions today.
American Christian census has faded during our lifetimes, but God controls it all so all is well.

Worldwide, according to 2011 Pew Research Center survey, there were 2.18 billion Christians around the world in 2010, up from about 600 million in 1910.
By 2050, the Christian population worldwide is expected to be 2.9 billion, 10's of millions coming from the Muslim faith.

Blessings,
Mark



I was hoping you would weigh in on this, Mark. I respect your opinion. Should churches forego tax exempt status to explicitly preach politics?


MOLON LABE
Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: Choo] #7027407
10/25/20 06:27 PM
10/25/20 06:27 PM
Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 3,820
Dunbar, Wisconsin
P
Pike River Offline
trapper
Pike River  Offline
trapper
P

Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 3,820
Dunbar, Wisconsin
Originally Posted by Choo
Our priest two weeks ago talked about the election. He said he wasn't going to tell us who to vote for but we as Catholics were to follow church teachings. Said there are intrinsically evil things in this world and abortion was one of them. When we vote for people who are openly in support of those things we are going against God. I've got a lot of catholic family who live in big cities who are all about the Biden Harris ticket. For some God and religion are only beneficial when it's convenient for them.

Didn't the pope just come out in support of gay unions?

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: warrior] #7027426
10/25/20 06:36 PM
10/25/20 06:36 PM
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 270
Interior Alaska
R
Rusty Newhouse Offline
trapper
Rusty Newhouse  Offline
trapper
R

Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 270
Interior Alaska

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: Pike River] #7027499
10/25/20 07:20 PM
10/25/20 07:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 87
West Virginia
C
Choo Online content
trapper
Choo  Online Content
trapper
C

Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 87
West Virginia
Originally Posted by Pike River
Originally Posted by Choo
Our priest two weeks ago talked about the election. He said he wasn't going to tell us who to vote for but we as Catholics were to follow church teachings. Said there are intrinsically evil things in this world and abortion was one of them. When we vote for people who are openly in support of those things we are going against God. I've got a lot of catholic family who live in big cities who are all about the Biden Harris ticket. For some God and religion are only beneficial when it's convenient for them.

Didn't the pope just come out in support of gay unions?


I haven't watched the interview supposedly he talked about civil unions, that's not marriage and just because he talks about it don't mean it's the teachings of the church. I don't think churches should be in charge of signing the marriage papers between two individuals and the government. Priests and preachers are there to join man and women in a holy union between them and God. Big difference and is definitely one of those places that should be a separation of church and state. If two people want to be recognized by the government as a joint venture for tax credits and other protections I have nothing against that but don't call it a marriage as if it's something God is involved in.

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: Pike River] #7027511
10/25/20 07:37 PM
10/25/20 07:37 PM
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 2,811
La Vernia & Dallas TX
Mark June Offline
trapper
Mark June  Offline
trapper

Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 2,811
La Vernia & Dallas TX
Originally Posted by Pike River
Originally Posted by Mark June

Many Churches are recognizing more and more that the missional purpose is outward, not inward.
If your pastor understands the outward gospel directive purpose give him a hug of encouragement!
What if the original 11 had just met amongst themselves, had a good pot luck dinner, and sang psalms of David? No outward?
"Have you not heard? Have you not read?"
Nope. Not without the 11 disciples telling others and multiplying to the billions today.
American Christian census has faded during our lifetimes, but God controls it all so all is well.

Worldwide, according to 2011 Pew Research Center survey, there were 2.18 billion Christians around the world in 2010, up from about 600 million in 1910.
By 2050, the Christian population worldwide is expected to be 2.9 billion, 10's of millions coming from the Muslim faith.

Blessings,
Mark

Mark do you know of any Churches actively following the example of Acts 20:20 regarding actively preaching from home to home?

I knew of a few but they gave up pretty quickly.


I don't know of any where that's the model precisely. But would it have to be?
We know that's what it was during Paul's travels as the Apostle chosen to bring the good news of Christ to the Gentiles in hopes this would finally make the Jews jealous after their long history of rebellion to; a Holy Nation, a Land, the Law, Judges, kings, prophets and the Messiah of Genesis 3:15.
It doesn't.

Followers of Christ are called the body of the Bride of Christ so it's worthy to see followers focused outward rather in addition to all our inward liturgies.
Wherever and however that takes place by His will, not ours.

Blessings,
Mark


Dallas Theological Seminary
https://www.dts.edu
https://www.markjuneslures.com/
Predator Trapping Academy Host - 2021 is booked



Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: warrior] #7027513
10/25/20 07:39 PM
10/25/20 07:39 PM
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 43
North Dakota
W
WakopaWalker Offline
trapper
WakopaWalker  Offline
trapper
W

Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 43
North Dakota
From the pulpit, a preacher/clergy can speak to the issues, but is not supposed to name names.

The advantage of tax exempt is for the members of the congregation, that their donations to support the church are exempt from taxes (as either credit or deduction, I don't remember, in excess of a certain percentage, if filing 10-40A and taking itemized deductions, but that's all changed since the last tax change). Some states allow the churches to be exempt from sales tax, which is a local issue. The tax exempt status of a church doesn't change much of the business side of church operations.

While I have my opinion on politics and government, I wouldn't ever presume to preach that from the pulpit. The pulpit is for proclaiming the Word of God, Jesus Christ. My messily opinions are nothing but a bag of worms.

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: Blaine County] #7027528
10/25/20 07:54 PM
10/25/20 07:54 PM
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 2,811
La Vernia & Dallas TX
Mark June Offline
trapper
Mark June  Offline
trapper

Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 2,811
La Vernia & Dallas TX
Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by Mark June
Interesting comments.

Perhaps the Charles Finney protocol for our Protestant churches since the Great Revival 200 years ago, takes the follower's eyes and hearts off the message Christ gave to 11 of His discipled (Gospels of Matthew and Mark for the Jews)?

... To spread the news that all power over Heaven and earth had been given to Christ because of His death, burial, and resurrection.

We struggle to remember that Church is not about me, it's all about Him. His message. His plan. His death and resurrection.
We're just blessed to be loved and be included in all of it.
Why else send the Son?

Many Churches are recognizing more and more that the missional purpose is outward, not inward.
If your pastor understands the outward gospel directive purpose give him a hug of encouragement!
What if the original 11 had just met amongst themselves, had a good pot luck dinner, and sang psalms of David? No outward?
"Have you not heard? Have you not read?"
Nope. Not without the 11 disciples telling others and multiplying to the billions today.
American Christian census has faded during our lifetimes, but God controls it all so all is well.

Worldwide, according to 2011 Pew Research Center survey, there were 2.18 billion Christians around the world in 2010, up from about 600 million in 1910.
By 2050, the Christian population worldwide is expected to be 2.9 billion, 10's of millions coming from the Muslim faith.

Blessings,
Mark



I was hoping you would weigh in on this, Mark. I respect your opinion. Should churches forego tax exempt status to explicitly preach politics?


Golly Blaine.
I have an opinion but that's it is. My opinion = A church shouldn't preach or teach in response to taxable circumstance.

Orthodox Christian doctrine is clear however on preaching and teaching; The gospel message is the message of our faith. There is none other.
That said, we'd have to admit that interpretation and application of the Bible is routinely done in our Western churches, so we should always be conscious not to forgo the primary mission of the Church (bride of Christ).. For anyone else or anything else including politics.

So, we should heed Augustine's counsel to his churchmen to; "Believe so that you may understand." Not the other way around.

Supporting those who openly propose wickedness is different than anyone's "sin" history. The abortion issue is key in this discussion, but we're all sinners and there's no sinfulness ranking chart to help us rank ourselves against Biden, Trump, or anyone else. I suppose we all vote for the candidate closest to our affections. I guess we just have to double and triple check what, where, and upon whom our primary affections are built. When we do that, things often get clearer.

Blessings,
Mark


Dallas Theological Seminary
https://www.dts.edu
https://www.markjuneslures.com/
Predator Trapping Academy Host - 2021 is booked



Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: Mark June] #7027569
10/25/20 08:25 PM
10/25/20 08:25 PM
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 4,164
Maine, Aroostook
Posco Offline
trapper
Posco  Offline
trapper

Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 4,164
Maine, Aroostook
Originally Posted by Mark June
there's no sinfulness ranking chart to help us rank ourselves against Biden, Trump, or anyone else.

Blessings,
Mark


Maybe we're all 'tempted' to compare ourselves 'sin-wise' to others, I know I'm tempted to from time to time but catch myself before I go very far down that road. The Bible tells us not to be respecters of persons, not to treat the well-heeled better than we do the beggar. I assume God would spend no more time, interest or energy in judging the worst among us than He would the garden variety sinner.

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: warrior] #7027571
10/25/20 08:27 PM
10/25/20 08:27 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 14,232
Anchorage, Alaska
J
James Offline
"Minka"
James  Offline
"Minka"
J

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 14,232
Anchorage, Alaska
Mark, you say Christianity is spreading. And probably it is. So why can't its churches stand on their own feet?

Why do they need taxpayer assistance to survive?

Would true believers not donate as much without the tax deductions? Even if they would, why should those of us who aren't members of that church be forced to help support them?

Sounds like socialism for theology.

Jim


Forum Infidel since 2001

"And that troll bs is something triggered snowflakes say when they dont like what someone posts." - Boco
Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: James] #7027583
10/25/20 08:36 PM
10/25/20 08:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,739
SW PA
W
white marlin Offline
trapper
white marlin  Offline
trapper
W

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,739
SW PA
Originally Posted by James
Why do they need taxpayer assistance to survive?

Would true believers not donate as much without the tax deductions? Even if they would, why should those of us who aren't members of that church be forced to help support them?

Sounds like socialism for theology. Jim


one could ask the same questions of "Planned Parenthood"...


Last edited by white marlin; 10/26/20 03:49 PM.

"We didn't come all the way out here just to 'feel them on the line.' "
Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: warrior] #7027586
10/25/20 08:39 PM
10/25/20 08:39 PM
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 2,811
La Vernia & Dallas TX
Mark June Offline
trapper
Mark June  Offline
trapper

Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 2,811
La Vernia & Dallas TX
James,

Like all we humans touch to "make better, fairer, quicker, faster" it can get complicated real fast.
The answer to taxation related to our nation's religious comes from your field of expertise, more so than from theologians.

Blessings,
Mark


Dallas Theological Seminary
https://www.dts.edu
https://www.markjuneslures.com/
Predator Trapping Academy Host - 2021 is booked



Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: James] #7027595
10/25/20 08:43 PM
10/25/20 08:43 PM
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 6,858
mn north of blakely
S
Steven 49er Online content
trapper
Steven 49er  Online Content
trapper
S

Joined: May 2010
Posts: 6,858
mn north of blakely
Originally Posted by James
Mark, you say Christianity is spreading. And probably it is. So why can't its churches stand on their own feet?

Why do they need taxpayer assistance to survive?

Would true believers not donate as much without the tax deductions? Even if they would, why should those of us who aren't members of that church be forced to help support them?

Sounds like socialism for theology.

Jim



You are correct counselor, we as a country, should do away with all 501 designations.

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: warrior] #7027597
10/25/20 08:43 PM
10/25/20 08:43 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 14,232
Anchorage, Alaska
J
James Offline
"Minka"
James  Offline
"Minka"
J

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 14,232
Anchorage, Alaska
No, Mark, I have no expertise in taxation.

I think you've deflected, my friend.

Jim


Forum Infidel since 2001

"And that troll bs is something triggered snowflakes say when they dont like what someone posts." - Boco
Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: warrior] #7027604
10/25/20 08:52 PM
10/25/20 08:52 PM
Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 3,820
Dunbar, Wisconsin
P
Pike River Offline
trapper
Pike River  Offline
trapper
P

Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 3,820
Dunbar, Wisconsin
Keeping church properties tax exempt makes sense since this institutions are considered a public asset. Receiving grants or subsidies is something different. The government should encourage positive behaviors. I don't limit this view for only Christian denominations. Jews, Muslims, Buddhist, Wiccan.. all of them as long as they don't run contrary to local social norms.

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: Mark June] #7027619
10/25/20 09:05 PM
10/25/20 09:05 PM
Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 3,820
Dunbar, Wisconsin
P
Pike River Offline
trapper
Pike River  Offline
trapper
P

Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 3,820
Dunbar, Wisconsin
Originally Posted by Mark June
Originally Posted by Pike River

Mark do you know of any Churches actively following the example of Acts 20:20 regarding actively preaching from home to home?

I knew of a few but they gave up pretty quickly.


I don't know of any where that's the model precisely. But would it have to be?
We know that's what it was during Paul's travels as the Apostle chosen to bring the good news of Christ to the Gentiles in hopes this would finally make the Jews jealous after their long history of rebellion to; a Holy Nation, a Land, the Law, Judges, kings, prophets and the Messiah of Genesis 3:15.
It doesn't.

Followers of Christ are called the body of the Bride of Christ so it's worthy to see followers focused outward rather in addition to all our inward liturgies.
Wherever and however that takes place by His will, not ours.

Blessings,
Mark


That's too bad because that seems to be the most outwardly facing ministry there is. All else is for the most part "preaching to the choir"

Re: Cowardice in the pulpit! [Re: James] #7027632
10/25/20 09:13 PM
10/25/20 09:13 PM
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 2,811
La Vernia & Dallas TX
Mark June Offline
trapper
Mark June  Offline
trapper

Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 2,811
La Vernia & Dallas TX
Originally Posted by James
No, Mark, I have no expertise in taxation.

I think you've deflected, my friend.

Jim


My expertise isn't in taxation either friend.
I have offered on TMan before the Scriptural text to give to Caesar what is Caesar's.
I'll stand alongside that.

Blessings,
Mark


Dallas Theological Seminary
https://www.dts.edu
https://www.markjuneslures.com/
Predator Trapping Academy Host - 2021 is booked



Page 4 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread