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Re: Trapper protection [Re: Bob] #7029950
10/27/20 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob
Jk Nevada has a similar law, but it’s 200 feet and doesn’t apply to privately owned land.



Bob do you still have 2 guns one for each of you.
I like that saying


Let me sugar coat this
Re: Trapper protection [Re: beartooth trapr] #7030029
10/28/20 12:05 AM
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You may well have the law on your side and may not get into any legal issues, but there are also the non-legal aspects of dealing with society in a way that minimizes negative encounters. Every state or even local governmental unit may have very different road right away issues, setbacks etc. If you own the property that goes to the road and you trap those areas, there could well be trails and signs further away from the road to make your sets with less concern about incidental incidents.

Bryce

Re: Trapper protection [Re: nyhuntfish] #7030034
10/28/20 12:14 AM
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You kill pets and you will lose in the court of public opinion. Try to avoid it!


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Re: Trapper protection [Re: jk] #7030131
10/28/20 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by jk
I trap in NY and there is a law about being 100 feet from Road some where in the law book. I do not have a book now to look at.......jk


That's for body grips only.


Re: Trapper protection [Re: nyhuntfish] #7030151
10/28/20 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by nyhuntfish
Originally Posted by jk
I trap in NY and there is a law about being 100 feet from Road some where in the law book. I do not have a book now to look at.......jk


That's for body grips only.



That is in regard to designated foot trails...

As far as your first question nyhuntfish, I am not quite sure what question you are asking...There is protection for landowners who allow trapping and other recreational pastimes, called the General Obligations Law. Is this what you are referring to??


~Illegitimi Non Carborundum~
Re: Trapper protection [Re: nyhuntfish] #7030166
10/28/20 07:52 AM
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That is in regard to designated foot trails...

As far as your first question nyhuntfish, I am not quite sure what question you are asking...There is protection for landowners who allow trapping and other recreational pastimes, called the General Obligations Law. Is this what you are referring to??


I'm almost afraid to keep talking about this as some of the responses concerned me. People don't like to have conversations I guess.

To answer your question, as I noted in my original post I was told "Trappers are protected by the state." Now, maybe that meant "legally like anybody else," I don't know. But if there were documentation (from the state, as part of a law) somehow that were part of the state record which we could draw-upon and say.... print out (and hand out if needed), that would be very helpful.

And if that documentation (protection for trappers) did not exist, then it should be written. A note on the DEC website does not count. Especially since trapping isn't "playing frisbee." There really needs to be some type of legal "appendage" to a law when you're talking about people in the woods killing animals for conservation where about 1,000 different variables exist unlike hunting-for-the-most-part.



Re: Trapper protection [Re: nyhuntfish] #7030168
10/28/20 07:53 AM
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When I’m teaching a young man or woman to trap. I tell them once they have located the spot for their set. The first question they should ask themselves is. “Will this set have a negative impact on how trapping is viewed by the general public” if the answer is a maybe or anything other than a 100% NO then move or use different equipment. Doesn’t matter if it is legal. Doesn’t matter if it’s your own property. Doesn’t matter, doesn’t matter.....


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Re: Trapper protection [Re: Pawnee] #7030177
10/28/20 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Pawnee
When I’m teaching a young man or woman to trap. I tell them once they have located the spot for their set. The first question they should ask themselves is. “Will this set have a negative impact on how trapping is viewed by the general public” if the answer is a maybe or anything other than a 100% NO then move or use different equipment. Doesn’t matter if it is legal. Doesn’t matter if it’s your own property. Doesn’t matter, doesn’t matter.....


I've walked away from a lot of good sets, that would have been completely legal due to this.

Re: Trapper protection [Re: nyhuntfish] #7030178
10/28/20 08:10 AM
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Okay nyhuntfish, I believe you are referring to ECL section 11-110 as follows:

§ 11-0110. Interference with lawful taking of wildlife prohibited.
1. As used in this section “wildlife” means wild game and all other
animal life existing in a wild state, including fish, shellfish and
crustacea, and “process of taking”, in addition to any act described in
subdivision thirteen of section 11-0103 of this article, includes
travel, camping, and other acts preparatory to taking, which occur on
lands or waters upon which the affected person has the right or
privilege to take such wildlife.
2. A person is guilty of interfering with the lawful taking of
wildlife when, with intent to prevent the taking of wildlife, in season,
in a place where hunting, fishing or trapping is lawful, and by a person
properly licensed to take such wildlife, he:
(a) strikes, shoves, kicks or otherwise subjects the licensed person
to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same; or
(b) follows the licensed person in or about such place and engages in
a course of conduct or repeatedly commits acts which alarm or seriously
annoy such licensed person and which serve no legitimate purpose.
Notwithstanding any other provision of law to the contrary, no one
shall be arrested for violation of this section by other than a duly
designated peace officer acting pursuant to his special duties, or a
police officer.


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Re: Trapper protection [Re: Pawnee] #7030189
10/28/20 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Pawnee
When I’m teaching a young man or woman to trap. I tell them once they have located the spot for their set. The first question they should ask themselves is. “Will this set have a negative impact on how trapping is viewed by the general public” if the answer is a maybe or anything other than a 100% NO then move or use different equipment. Doesn’t matter if it is legal. Doesn’t matter if it’s your own property. Doesn’t matter, doesn’t matter.....


That is true to some extent and is good, common sense. For instance; I would never set a State Game Land heavily stocked with pheasants where I know there will be dozens of hunters with their dogs even though it would be perfectly legal for me to do so. It would be very productive as well because those pheasants are fox and coyote magnets.

But that would just be a stupid move that would cause a lot of headaches for all involved and would certainly cast a bad light on trappers and trapping.

However, if I stopped trapping every farm in my area where there was a possibility of a non-target catch due to trespassing dog-walkers, I’d probably have to quit trapping altogether. I’m a canine trapper and my locations are mostly long, two-track, tractor trails. I’m not going to stop trapping because of trespassers with no respect for the landowner.

As I posted above, in the last two years I’ve been threatened with lawsuits twice because of non-target catches. In one case I was able to successfully prosecute the offender and in the other the offending couple was warned by law-enforcement to stay off the property. Hopefully, in both cases, the individuals involved learned hard lessons in legality and respect for private property.


Eh...wot?

Re: Trapper protection [Re: Redknot] #7030219
10/28/20 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Redknot
Okay nyhuntfish, I believe you are referring to ECL section 11-110 as follows:

§ 11-0110. Interference with lawful taking of wildlife prohibited.
1. As used in this section “wildlife” means wild game and all other
animal life existing in a wild state, including fish, shellfish and
crustacea, and “process of taking”, in addition to any act described in
subdivision thirteen of section 11-0103 of this article, includes
travel, camping, and other acts preparatory to taking, which occur on
lands or waters upon which the affected person has the right or
privilege to take such wildlife.
2. A person is guilty of interfering with the lawful taking of
wildlife when, with intent to prevent the taking of wildlife, in season,
in a place where hunting, fishing or trapping is lawful, and by a person
properly licensed to take such wildlife, he:
(a) strikes, shoves, kicks or otherwise subjects the licensed person
to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same; or
(b) follows the licensed person in or about such place and engages in
a course of conduct or repeatedly commits acts which alarm or seriously
annoy such licensed person and which serve no legitimate purpose.
Notwithstanding any other provision of law to the contrary, no one
shall be arrested for violation of this section by other than a duly
designated peace officer acting pursuant to his special duties, or a
police officer.



Thanks!


Re: Trapper protection [Re: nyhuntfish] #7030220
10/28/20 09:25 AM
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Re: Trapper protection [Re: Albert Burns] #7030248
10/28/20 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Albert Burns
I've walked away from a lot of good sets, that would have been completely legal due to this.

Agreed. Legal v. Prudent are two very different things

Re: Trapper protection [Re: nyhuntfish] #7030326
10/28/20 11:56 AM
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If trappers bend to every whim of “public opinion” we will loose the “legal” right to trapping altogether. There comes a time when we stand up, do what we do and let the chips fall where they may.

I have called the game commission and the local sheriffs department and have gotten the same response about dogs roaming my personal land.

Private land is just that. Private.

Re: Trapper protection [Re: Rat_Pack] #7030353
10/28/20 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Rat_Pack
Originally Posted by Albert Burns
I've walked away from a lot of good sets, that would have been completely legal due to this.

Agreed. Legal v. Prudent are two very different things

TRUTH


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