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Blue English Fleshing system #6924748
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Are there any suppliers that stills have this system in stock or does anyone have any leads on where the system can be found? Thanks.

Re: Blue English Fleshing system [Re: Farmdog] #6924799
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Have no Idea.
Are you set In your ways to use this system? Are you willing to stand with your hands and arms above your head and pull down on your fleshing knife? It seems to me with this type of system you have very little control and It's going to be hard to put any pressure on the knife. It just seems you would wear out a lot quicker with this system. Maybe I'm wrong but It just seems a bit awkward In doing It this way.
Then your going to have to reposition the hide several times as you flesh that hide.


But good luck If you go this route.


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Re: Blue English Fleshing system [Re: Farmdog] #6925194
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I have watched videos of guys like Sam wood use an english system and it seems i would not like it personally. Sam does make it look pretty slick for him though.


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Re: Blue English Fleshing system [Re: Farmdog] #6925841
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It's how I've been fleshing for years and how I started, so I prefer the system. My current set-up lacks a few things the blue english system has that I believe would improve my speed. If I can't find the system anywhere, I suppose I will have to get the specs and fashion one myself. I've tried the pushing on the more common beam systems and that feels awkward to me since I'm so used to an upright beam and pulling. I have no desire to change.

I don't know Sam wood, but a fur buyer down the road from me is ridiculously fast using this system.

Any leads on the system would be appreciated. Thanks

Re: Blue English Fleshing system [Re: Farmdog] #6928583
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Re: Blue English Fleshing system [Re: Farmdog] #6929947
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Thanks for posting the links saskfly, but both places are out of stock like every other place I've checked. I'm pretty sure they stopped making them. I'm going to keep looking for a while and will then probably just make my own if I can't find one.

Re: Blue English Fleshing system [Re: Farmdog] #7009075
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Tom the owner of Blue English will be producing more product in the future. Several factors have stalled production during the pandemic.

Vertical fleshing is the way the trade fleshed . Beav, if you had to raise your arms above your head your beam was too high or you are too short.

Re: Blue English Fleshing system [Re: Farmdog] #7009432
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What trade used the vertical system?

I have been around 100s of professional fur processors and I have yet to see any one flesh a critter In the vertical position.
I don't see how you can put any pressure or for that matter control the knife with your arms sticking out In front of you or at shoulder height.
Then of coarse they must be lots of rearranging of the hide so you don't have to get down on your knees to finish the bottom portion. On a horizontal beam just a flick of your knife and the hide is re positioned so you can start again. And doing beaver that way In my opinion would be real nightmare.
Then of coarse all the scrapings would end up on the top of your boots. LOL

No one will ever convince me that vertical fleshing Is better then using a horizontal beam.


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Re: Blue English Fleshing system [Re: Farmdog] #7009482
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A lot of the native women up north flesh like that,sitting down and pulling the scraper down on the beam which is standing up in front of them..
It is the same way they grain moosehides for tanning.


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Re: Blue English Fleshing system [Re: Farmdog] #7009785
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The fur trade. Not trying to convince you to change. Just saying when foreigners were brought to NY, to flesh for the trade , they did it vertically. 3 of my fur handlers received Blue English systems and love them. I know a beaver trapper that does hundreds a season on one.

Re: Blue English Fleshing system [Re: Farmdog] #7010314
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No trimmings on your boots when set up properly on a base and even better when a cardboard box is placed at the bottom of beam to catch them. Prior to the trade coming to America I believe vertical was the way it was done commercially. We, grew up vertically fleshing with the influence coming south from NY furbuyers buying in the country. I am certainly not knocking anyone's fleshing methods if they like them. Flesh away.

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Re: Blue English Fleshing system [Re: Farmdog] #7010429
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In the second flick the guy has to re position the hide way to many times.
When I flesh a coon I start with the leg hole up that way I'm doing half the hide then I rotate the hide and do the other half. Works a lot better then moving the hide 4 times.

And It looks like that coon has already had some knife work done before the flick starts.

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Re: Blue English Fleshing system [Re: Farmdog] #7010705
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Looks like shoulder and back problems just waiting to happen.

Doubt you get any old timers to take this up.

Re: Blue English Fleshing system [Re: Farmdog] #7010887
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I know when I'm leaning over my horizontal beam I'm not bending my back as I'm using my knife. And there Is very little shoulder movement. It's pretty much all arm movement.
But I guess If it works for you have at It.


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Re: Blue English Fleshing system [Re: Farmdog] #7013177
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I was down in the back so bad about ten years ago that I tried a vertical beam. I know a number of guys that use them, and if you learn on them, they seem to like them. My big complaint was that there were too many dingleberrys left in the fur where you came off the fur onto the beam. I'm picky about my fur, and want it clean, and there is no way you can do it on a vertical, because you "hammer" the fat off with a dull knife and have no real control. On a horizontal beam, you can push off all the dingleberries of fat that get in the fur, so I didn't use it very long. Once my back got better, I went back to the way I learned, and still like it better.


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If he’s still in Williamsport he’s very close to my business. I have his system


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Re: Blue English Fleshing system [Re: Farmdog] #7030450
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I've got a Sheffield fleshing knife that I use with the horizontal beam style of fleshing. Is that knife really designed for the vertical style of fleshing?

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Originally Posted by TrapperLibrarian
I've got a Sheffield fleshing knife that I use with the horizontal beam style of fleshing. Is that knife really designed for the vertical style of fleshing?


It can be used for it. Only difference is the concave side of the knife is run sharp on the vertical beam. You start out with the sharp knive behind the ears, and shave down to where you can use the dull knife to "hammer" it off. The sharp knife is just used on the back like most fleshing, but the vertical takes two knives.


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Re: Blue English Fleshing system [Re: Farmdog] #7068986
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I have had surgery on both shoulders no way I could use that system from the way I see the Skinner using his shoulder.


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