That's got to be a LOT of RECOIL !
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Re: That's got to be a LOT of RECOIL !
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Cool video , thanks for posting , Canvaspack2 The smile on her face after discharge says it all. Bet the guys behind her dressed in BDU's were very impressed.
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Re: That's got to be a LOT of RECOIL !
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I've seen a gun like that fired before... it was a 2 ga. Punt gun. Along Lake Erie they used to market hunt ducks... they had oversized layout boats with those guns mounted on the bow. When a flock of ducks would land they shot them on the water. There was an "Old Timer" there when I was a GW that had one that his father and grandfather had used. One day we talked him into giving us a demonstration. It would sure lay down a good pattern.
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Re: That's got to be a LOT of RECOIL !
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I wonder what charge and what weight projectile they were using?
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Re: That's got to be a LOT of RECOIL !
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I wonder what charge and what weight projectile they were using? I saw one once at the range . They were using a paper shotgun shell they reloaded with blackpowder. The lead ball was close to the size of a ping pong ball. They had a small group of members there who stopped what they were shooting to just watch this one guy shoot the 2ga. Bore was almost an inch.
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Re: That's got to be a LOT of RECOIL !
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In the video, it looks like she loads 4 paper cartridges of powder and then a wad of paper on top and no projectile. In essence a large blank.
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Re: That's got to be a LOT of RECOIL !
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Re: That's got to be a LOT of RECOIL !
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If the single ball weighed a quarter-pound, then it would be a "4 gauge". The gauge part, now almost just restricted to a shotgun label ammo, comes from "how much shot did it take to make a pound?' You can see how this works in an 12 gauge shell if the shot load was 1.33 ounces. Similar in a 20 gauge with 8/10ths of an ounce per round, pretty close to the 7/8 oz in a lot of old standard lead loads.
If you've ever read James Mitchner's book "Chesapeake, the use of a boat mounted "punt gun" shotgun reoccurs in the story. Sometimes when the Baltimore market was "hot" for waterfowl, the gun's multi-generational owners would "double charge" it with both powder and shot. They used burlap sacks filled with fresh pine bows to reduce the recoil to the back of the lay-out boat.
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Re: That's got to be a LOT of RECOIL !
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Actually the "gauge" designation has nothing to do with shot. It's the number of lead round balls of that diameter to make a pound. 16 gauge would take 16 therefore one ounce. and you are correct-a 4 gauge round ball would be a quarter pounder.
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Re: That's got to be a LOT of RECOIL !
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If the single ball weighed a quarter-pound, then it would be a "4 gauge". The gauge part, now almost just restricted to a shotgun label ammo, comes from "how much shot did it take to make a pound?' You can see how this works in an 12 gauge shell if the shot load was 1.33 ounces. Similar in a 20 gauge with 8/10ths of an ounce per round, pretty close to the 7/8 oz in a lot of old standard lead loads.
If you've ever read James Mitchner's book "Chesapeake, the use of a boat mounted "punt gun" shotgun reoccurs in the story. Sometimes when the Baltimore market was "hot" for waterfowl, the gun's multi-generational owners would "double charge" it with both powder and shot. They used burlap sacks filled with fresh pine bows to reduce the recoil to the back of the lay-out boat. Thank you for that information... I am not much into the statistics or ballistics. I just tell the stories as I have heard or seen. The old man that demonstrated the gun his father and grandfather had shot... was asked about the shot, and told that they shot any metal pieces they could get stuffed down the barrel... that sometimes they could get enough lead shot... so they just used whatever they had. The gun he shot for us I don't believe a flint lock, but a percussion cap, but it roared like the flint lock in video, and laid down a pattern that looked like a tornado touching down. He of course wasn't shooting at anything in his demonstration, just showing a pattern. Garry-
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Re: That's got to be a LOT of RECOIL !
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If the single ball weighed a quarter-pound, then it would be a "4 gauge". The gauge part, now almost just restricted to a shotgun label ammo, comes from "how much shot did it take to make a pound?' You can see how this works in an 12 gauge shell if the shot load was 1.33 ounces. Similar in a 20 gauge with 8/10ths of an ounce per round, pretty close to the 7/8 oz in a lot of old standard lead loads.
If you've ever read James Mitchner's book "Chesapeake, the use of a boat mounted "punt gun" shotgun reoccurs in the story. Sometimes when the Baltimore market was "hot" for waterfowl, the gun's multi-generational owners would "double charge" it with both powder and shot. They used burlap sacks filled with fresh pine bows to reduce the recoil to the back of the lay-out boat. Thank you for that information... I am not much into the statistics or ballistics. I just tell the stories as I have heard or seen. The old man that demonstrated the gun his father and grandfather had shot... was asked about the shot, and told that they shot any metal pieces they could get stuffed down the barrel... that sometimes they could get enough lead shot... so they just used whatever they had. The gun he shot for us I don't believe a flint lock, but a percussion cap, but it roared like the flint lock in video, and laid down a pattern that looked like a tornado touching down. He of course wasn't shooting at anything in his demonstration, just showing a pattern. Garry- Lol.......I was in Paris on a trip on vacation. Our tour provided many meals as part of the price paid for the package. We had gone to this restaurant as part of the package. There was just a few choices on the main course/entree. I decided on duck as it was one of the few choices. I received my meal. For the most part it was good. Then I bit into something hard. I pulled out of my mouth a brad/nail. It was in the flesh. I found more , some rusty in the flesh. I guess someone had shot at this duck with a handmade hand load. Kinda killed my appetite for that meal. 2 more people in our party found them too.
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