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Re: Horse Shot with an Arrow [Re: Eagleye] #7032620
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I hate that people think the worst of sportsman right out of the gate.


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Re: Horse Shot with an Arrow [Re: Eagleye] #7032653
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For those that want to see the comment thread that I saw its on the Ice Age Trail FB page.

Re: Horse Shot with an Arrow [Re: Eagleye] #7032654
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PALMYRA — The owner of a horse that was hit with an arrow and subsequently put down because of the injury on the southern Kettle Moraine State Park trail Wednesday afternoon is looking for answers, along with the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources.

The horse’s owner, Lisa Schreier, an avid trail rider, said she decided to go for a horseback ride with some friends. Schreier was part of a group of three and as they were riding, one of her friends noticed Schreier’s horse had been shot with an arrow.

“The whole arrow was sticking out of his leg and the blood was just gushing out,” Schreier said.

Together, the three women were frantically trying to care for the horse, call vets and haul the horse, Sam, out of the park.

Once at an animal clinic and given an X-ray, it was found that the arrow had hit Sam’s tendon, an artery and a bag of fluid in the hoof, creating a high infection rate. Surgery ultimately came to a $10,000 price tag, so Schreier said she had to put him down.

Schreier said the arrow came from above the group, based on the angle it went into the hoof. Overall, she said she wants answers, because the group was making noise and the perpetrator would have heard them.

“My belief is whoever did this knew what they were doing,” she said. “Either he wanted to scare us because they were (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) because we were in the woods scaring the wildlife away ... or I don’t know.”

Schreier said she didn’t think about the danger until afterwards.

“It could have been a person,” Schreier said. “You have hikers that use those trails, you have bicyclers that use those trails. The thing is, the guy’s a danger. If you’re bow hunting, you need to see your target.”

DNR Warden John Sinclair said they are investigating the incident.

“We definitely want hikers and horseback riders and everybody that’s out on the landscape to feel safe and to feel like they can enjoy these public spaces,” he said.

Sinclair said he’s worked in Jefferson County for three years and hasn’t seen something like this happen before.

“It’s certainly very unusual and concerning,” he said.

Sinclair said he is unsure how many people were in the area during the incident.

“Certainly the area is used by a variety of outdoor recreators, so we do have horseback riders, hikers, hunters and bird watchers, things of that nature,” he said. “All those different groups utilize this area so it’s not uncommon to have a variety of people in this part of the state property.”

In a press release, the DNR said they are working in collaboration with the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office to seek the public’s help with any information related to the injury of the horse.

Sinclair asks anyone with any pertinent information, no matter how small it may seem, to please call the DNR Violation Hotline 1-800-TIPWDNR or 1-800-847-9367[Linked Image]

Re: Horse Shot with an Arrow [Re: Yes sir] #7032656
10/30/20 02:18 PM
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Look at the blade on the right toward the top/rear of the blade is that bone tissue over the blade?
I’m not a radiologist. Probably some on here are, no sarcasm intended.


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Re: Horse Shot with an Arrow [Re: cmcf] #7032663
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Originally Posted by cmcf
Circle the wagons !!! It couldn’t possibly be some freaking IDIOT! I especially like the long ark theory. I shot an arrow into the air, It fell to earth I know not where.
My guess is an IDIOT got a case of buck fever anticipating the huge buck he was going to brag about to his buddies.

I say this based on the IDIOT that took something very precious away from my father. When he heard a young man brag about taking a couple of SOUND SHOTS, he quit hunting deer all together.

I say this based on the IDIOT that shot a horse out from under a man I worked with. Even though the rider was wearing blaze orange vest as per Montana hunting regs, and the horse had a blaze orange saddle blanket and orange surveying ribbon tied in its mane and tail. The blanket and ribbon are standard procedure in the Rocky Mountains during hunting season for most horsemen by the way. Hmmm wonder why that is. The “hunter” swore he was shooting at an elk.

I say this based on the IDIOT that shot a good friend’s son in the knee while he was having a mid morning snack and rest break with his brother on top of a boulder. Both men were wearing blaze orange. Jim has a severe limp
to this day. I can’t imagine the pain he went through over thirty years ago.

I say this based on the IDIOT that almost shot a moose right between the eyes YESTERDAY.
That IDIOT was me. I was elk hunting in an any elk unit, on the third sit I was using a cow elk call very subtly in some very thick lodgepole. After a few minutes I saw some legs moving from right to left. I said to myself there you are as it angled toward me. It was playing peekaboo with me when I spotted the eyes and a perfect set of brow tines. I didn’t have a clear shot through all the small branches so I waited then he turned and trotted from left to right. And what I thought was was a bull elk magically turned into a pretty decent shira bull moose.
This all happened at about thirty yards and about a minute and a half. I never saw his body until he was leaving, dead giveaway, they are black.
His legs in the late afternoon sun shined and appeared to be brown. When I saw the eyes and browtines my mind said nice bull. Thankfully I waited for a better shot as my mind had already identified the target as a legal bull elk. After all I was using an elk call. I was in elk habitat, the critter responded exactly like dozens of elk have on other occasions. I could see his browtines!

In the original post the only scenario I believe other than the archers mind playing tricks, is the one about trying to spook the horse. I mean seriously, how dare they interrupt his deer hunt with their silly trail riding. Sarcasm emoji goes here.



OK since you said you are the idiot . Does that mean you shot all the horses in your story?

PLUS BIG DIFFERENCE IN a gun and a bow. No way that happened and that horse didn't throw a fit. PERIOD !!!! Like I said was the rider blind and also deaf ? Heck I'v seen horses run thru fences because a fly bit them. !!!

Re: Horse Shot with an Arrow [Re: Eagleye] #7032665
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I'm not buying that the horse was purposely shot.

Re: Horse Shot with an Arrow [Re: Crit-R-Dun] #7032669
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Originally Posted by Crit-R-Dun
Originally Posted by Andrew Eastwood
Just a guess on my part, but I would guess some hunter was ticked off over the rider ruining his hunt and intended to scare the horse into throwing the rider.


Geez, you'd like to think there's some rational explanation. Purposely shooting at a horse and rider is a seriously sinister act not to mention a serious crime. Would have to know more about the injury but could it be that the arrow was lost and precariously positioned in the path of the horse and the horse rode into it?


This could have actually happened this way.

Re: Horse Shot with an Arrow [Re: Eagleye] #7032675
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"given an X-ray, it was found that the arrow had hit Sam’s tendon, an artery and a bag of fluid in the hoof, creating a high infection rate."

Far from any type of expert but that injury seems more consistent with walking into or kicking up the arrow and having it enter under relatively low velocity. If that struck at high velocity it would have shattered bone, or passed through the area. IMO. And like slicing yourself with a razor blade the horse may not have experienced intense pain walking into it. If that area was struck at high velocity how could that horse not have reacted in a very noticeable manner.

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Re: Horse Shot with an Arrow [Re: Yes sir] #7032676
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
I apologize for jumping to conclusions. I made the mistake of basing my opinion on the facts presented in the article and the x-ray. I should has considered ur dad, your good friends son and you.


Sounds like a lot of crazy people in Wyoming doesn’t it.

Nobody in their right mind shoots at a horse with a rider on it, thinking its a deer and then after taking aim hits that huge target in the hoof.

Any simple explanation sounds better then what the article is selling.

Gotta be a false flag incident.

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Originally Posted by Tailhunter

Originally Posted by Yes sir
I apologize for jumping to conclusions. I made the mistake of basing my opinion on the facts presented in the article and the x-ray. I should has considered ur dad, your good friends son and you.


Nobody in their right mind shoots at a horse with a rider on it, thinking its a deer and then after taking aim hits that huge target in the hoof.



That notion is out of the question when it's the third horse and rider in a group of three visiting along a trail together. And nobody in their right mind shoots a horse and rider on purpose because they're spoiling a hunt especially on public land where it is to be expected. Besides people who are inclined to go bow hunting are usually in their right mind.

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Look at the picture of the blade. It hit no bone at any rate of speed. There are no chips, dents or bends to the blade. That thing looks perfect.
Also at any rate of speed, hitting soft tissue as the article suggests, the arrow would have punched through.

The horse kicked the arrow in the trail most likely.

Re: Horse Shot with an Arrow [Re: Eagleye] #7032694
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I don’t understand the three eye witnesses and the owner and the vet and LEO all stageing this event.
And yes there are a lot of crazy people in Wyoming, Montana, Colorado, Utah. When the “Orange Tide “ rolls in better stay sharp.
And if I remember correctly it was just last week, the howls of righteous indignation and calls for hangem high when a national known “sportsman “ got caught in a huge poaching ring. Was that in Kansas? Honest question,
don’t remember that detail for sure. The fact is that all kinds of people take part in outdoor activity. Does that mean they are all ethical and conform to high moral standards. I think not. I offer for your consideration the Asian fellow that shot another hunter out of his tree stand because the Asian fellow claimed that it was his tree stand.
Believe that was in Wisconsin? Made national news, several years ago.
I believe most of the people on this site are good people that would always do the right thing to the best of their abilities. But I also believe that most “sportsmen and women “ are not members of this site.
And there are some real doozies out there.
Y’all keep on circling them wagons.


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Re: Horse Shot with an Arrow [Re: Crit-R-Dun] #7032710
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Originally Posted by Crit-R-Dun

That notion is out of the question when it's the third horse and rider in a group of three visiting along a trail together. And nobody in their right mind shoots a horse and rider on purpose because they're spoiling a hunt especially on public land where it is to be expected. Besides people who are inclined to go bow hunting are usually in their right mind.

I know that area very well. Plenty of people hunting not in their right minds there. This area is a weird exurban area between Milwaukee, Madison, and Janesville.

Re: Horse Shot with an Arrow [Re: Pike River] #7032714
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Originally Posted by Pike River
Originally Posted by Crit-R-Dun

That notion is out of the question when it's the third horse and rider in a group of three visiting along a trail together. And nobody in their right mind shoots a horse and rider on purpose because they're spoiling a hunt especially on public land where it is to be expected. Besides people who are inclined to go bow hunting are usually in their right mind.

I know that area very well. Plenty of people hunting not in their right minds there. This area is a weird exurban area between Milwaukee, Madison, and Janesville.



it is a weird area close to all of the cities but still just far enough away at the same time

the amount of swamp and state forest keeping the developers from turning it all into suburbs of Milwaukee

while it is possible it was an intentionally shot arrow , I sure would have thought the rider would have seen or heard something if it was


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Re: Horse Shot with an Arrow [Re: cmcf] #7032718
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I know absolutely Nothing about A/ Hunting arrow heads. B/ X Rays.

However; Just looking at that x ray? It looks, to my own Joe Soap, just a normal guy eye like ye'd virtually have to be standing next to the horse, firing down at its foot, to get that angle. Doesn't it? I mean, that Looks like a pretty acute angle. Dunno.

Regards the talk about bone chips / arrow head dings? Again. I've no knowledge to even Try to form an opinion on. But; Who said we need a Radiologist? Because I'd like one. To explain to me how that shot looks more like someone's placed the arrow head against the leg, and x rayed That!

I genuinely would have expected more 'depth' to the picture. Some sign that that head was within the foot. Am I making myself clear here? Dunno. I don't habitually get to look at x rays.

Oh, and I have a horse. Absolutely bomb proof Gypsy Cob ('Vanner'). Bomb Proof. But, dear lord! If a ruddy great broad head thunked into Her foot, on a casual stroll? I imagine even She'd make some noticeable reaction! shocked

But, what? Everybody just ambled on? Until, at some point, someone said; " Oh, look! There's the best part of a yard of arrow shaft sticking out of this horses front foot! Well I never! "

Naah. Stinks of face book.

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it is on several news channels around the area , so I don't doubt that a horse , picked up a broadhead and died.

but yes I would have thought it odd for them to not see it basically with in a stride or two of where the arrow first impacted the horse.

makes me wonder also if they had a decent tourniquet , or could have made one, if they could have saved the horse but I don't know any thing about horse medicine . do tourniquets work on horse legs?


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Originally Posted by wildflights
Originally Posted by Pike River
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We have a horse that tends to drag its feet.
I don't think it would be a stretch that the arrow was on the ground and the horse walked into it. Especially on a rear foot where a front hoof could have kicked it up. That is about the angle I would expect from such a thing.


Isn't that the back of the foot on the x-ray? No joint displacement or unevenness what so ever !! Really ?
If so totally staged. The broad head is "BEHIND" all bones and tendons. Looks like to was just lain there then x-rayed

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Muzzy bad to the bone??? But they shatter bone on impact.

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Pete I think the reason the horse was put down (maybe) was that the injury was prone to developing an infection according to reporter. One of the Ky derby winners few years back broke that joint in the Preakness right out of the gate. They did surgery and tried to save him but he got infected and they put him down.

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The most likely scenario would be that someone dropped the arrow on the path, the horse kicked it while walking, the fletching end was up against something like the ground, and jammed the broadhead into its foot. Of course since it involves horse people, they’ll be on the evening national news telling the entire world their horse was shot by a hunter.

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