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Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: walleye101] #7032300
10/30/20 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by walleye101
Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
We recognize that the USFWS’s delisting decision will give immediate rise to questions about whether Minnesota will establish a hunting or trapping season for wolves. However, we want people to understand that wolf management is about far more than whether hunting and trapping wolves is or is not permitted in Minnesota. Our commitment to a healthy and sustainable wolf population in Minnesota is unwavering. We will continue to use the best available science, coordination with our federal and tribal partners, robust public engagement, and careful consideration of all perspectives to inform all of our management decisions, including any future decisions regarding the potential for a wolf season in Minnesota following completion of our plan update.



You can either use the best available science or public opinion to manage Minnesota's wolf population, but based on their survey results you can't use both.

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Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: Pike River] #7032431
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Mn guys, is Ed Bogges still involved in the Mn DNR? I haven't heard his name mentioned for some time now. He was at one time heavily involved in the early stages of the wolf fiasco. I knew him from here in Ks, then he took the job up in Mn. I suppose he is retired by now!


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Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: Pike River] #7032989
10/30/20 09:17 PM
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Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: Pike River] #7033017
10/30/20 09:36 PM
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Lee, Ed is retired.


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Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: 330-Trapper] #7033312
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
We recognize that the USFWS’s delisting decision will give immediate rise to questions about whether Minnesota will establish a hunting or trapping season for wolves. However, we want people to understand that wolf management is about far more than whether hunting and trapping wolves is or is not permitted in Minnesota. Our commitment to a healthy and sustainable wolf population in Minnesota is unwavering. We will continue to use the best available science, coordination with our federal and tribal partners, robust public engagement, and careful consideration of all perspectives to inform all of our management decisions, including any future decisions regarding the potential for a wolf season in Minnesota following completion of our plan update.



Here is how this will most likely play out.

The coordination with our federal and tribal partners, robust public engagement, and careful consideration of all perspectives will go on for a couple of years convienently kicking the can down the road past the next Governor election. All of the public engagement will inform us on what we already know, that some folks want total protection, some want erradication and the rest are in between. The "best available science" will continue to ignore the impacts of the current wolf population on the decline in Minnesota's moose population.

IF we ever get another wolf season it will allow just a token harvest like the last one, in a vain attempt to compromise between the extreme public input positions. The result will satisfy no one since the protectionists do not want any wolves killed, and the token harvest will have no significant effect on wolf population reduction, and will provide no relief to the dwindling moose population. Science and biology loses since we will never be informed on the potential impacts of a comprehensive wolf/moose management plan with aggressive wolf removal in the primary moose range. Wolf depredation of livestock will continue at existing levels neccessitating continuation of summer wolf removal, an expensive program that wastes of a valuable renewable resource.

Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: Pike River] #7033386
10/31/20 08:57 AM
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I hope we have a better Scenario than that^^^ but that does sound about right!


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Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: 330-Trapper] #7033514
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
We recognize that the USFWS’s delisting decision will give immediate rise to questions about whether Minnesota will establish a hunting or trapping season for wolves. However, we want people to understand that wolf management is about far more than whether hunting and trapping wolves is or is not permitted in Minnesota. Our commitment to a healthy and sustainable wolf population in Minnesota is unwavering. We will continue to use the best available science, coordination with our federal and tribal partners, robust public engagement, and careful consideration of all perspectives to inform all of our management decisions, including any future decisions regarding the potential for a wolf season in Minnesota following completion of our plan update.




The key word there is "potential". They could decide that the potential for a wolf season is high but public sentiment against it is even higher.

Ballot box biology is not the way to go. "Perspectives" are not science


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Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: white17] #7033523
10/31/20 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by white17


Ballot box biology is not the way to go. "Perspectives" are not science


True, very true. BUT it ultimately boils down to politics and who has the power.
Put a Republican Governor in charge of the state and a rational wolf season is likely.
Put a Democrat Governor in charge of the state and a rational wolf season is unlikely.


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Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: drasselt] #7033525
10/31/20 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by drasselt
Originally Posted by white17


Ballot box biology is not the way to go. "Perspectives" are not science


True, very true. BUT it ultimately boils down to politics and who has the power.
Put a Republican Governor in charge of the state and a rational wolf season is likely.
Put a Democrat Governor in charge of the state and a rational wolf season is unlikely.

Very true.We can talk till we're blue in the face about scientific management ,it still all comes down to politics.

Last edited by Buck (Zandra); 10/31/20 12:16 PM.

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Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: Pike River] #7033532
10/31/20 12:24 PM
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The feds say there are more than 500 wolves in the U.P.,I guess you can't go wrong using that statement,just this morning I heard on the radio the U.P.has a minimum of 695.


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Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: white17] #7033899
10/31/20 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by white17
Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
We recognize that the USFWS’s delisting decision will give immediate rise to questions about whether Minnesota will establish a hunting or trapping season for wolves. However, we want people to understand that wolf management is about far more than whether hunting and trapping wolves is or is not permitted in Minnesota. Our commitment to a healthy and sustainable wolf population in Minnesota is unwavering. We will continue to use the best available science, coordination with our federal and tribal partners, robust public engagement, and careful consideration of all perspectives to inform all of our management decisions, including any future decisions regarding the potential for a wolf season in Minnesota following completion of our plan update.




The key word there is "potential". They could decide that the potential for a wolf season is high but public sentiment against it is even higher.

Ballot box biology is not the way to go. "Perspectives" are not science


White, the wolf season in MN is codified into law and that law is still on the books. Problem is it gives the DNR quite a bit ambiguity setting seasons and quotas.

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Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: Steven 49er] #7033904
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er


White, the wolf season in MN is codified into law and that law is still on the books. My guess is if governor goofy wants to do away with the wolf season they will have to repeal that law, the law didn't go away because a judge decided to legislate.


So when does the MN Wolf season start?

Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: Pike River] #7033906
10/31/20 08:26 PM
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Walleye, I changed my original post some. For sure we won't see a season until next year at the earliest.


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Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: Pike River] #7033947
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I'm betting the Feds are going to keep their fingers in the program and fund the state management program. When there is a season it will be a pay to play season, with limits, and gizmo snares (maybe Cable Restraints) with diverters and such required. As long as the feds are paying the state, the state will milk it for as long as they can. The real question is when there is a "season", will we be able to get a CITES tag to export the hide, or will it just be a "Trophy Tag".


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Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: Pike River] #7033979
10/31/20 09:23 PM
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I went on the state website and put in my comment. If you don’t put your comment in, it is just like voting. If you don’t vote, don’t complain. As trappers we need to put our input in. Minnesota’s DNR commissioner is not the hunting type, she is metro focused like the governor and she is more worried about parks and trails.We need an overwhelming voice. Put your comments in!


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Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: fur taker] #7034046
10/31/20 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by fur taker
I went on the state website and put in my comment. If you don’t put your comment in, it is just like voting. If you don’t vote, don’t complain. As trappers we need to put our input in. Minnesota’s DNR commissioner is not the hunting type, she is metro focused like the governor and she is more worried about parks and trails.We need an overwhelming voice. Put your comments in!

Share the link for folks to add their comment.

Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: Pike River] #7034066
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I don’t know how to post a link. I just googled “MN wolf comment” and the Minnesota wolf plan update page was the 3rd webpage that popped up. I looked on that page and under the online comment bullet point was a link to the survey. I don’t agree with the way everything is asked in the survey but you can select that Minnesota needs to have a season for hunting and trapping in their wolf management plan.


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Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: Pike River] #7034270
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Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: Pike River] #7034350
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Not withstanding the debate of Wisconsin's wolf population- the trend line is definitely heading in the wrong direction and I look forward to hearing about harvest recommendations to help manage it.

Re: State Management of Wolves [Re: Pike River] #7034513
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Originally Posted by Pike River
Duluth Tribune News


Wolves across the Lower 48 states were hunted, trapped and poisoned to near-extinction for centuries after European settlement until they gained federal protection in 1975. By then only about 500 wolves remained in the Lower 48 states, all of them in Northeastern Minnesota.

There are now an estimated 6,000 gray wolves (sometimes called eastern or timber wolves) roaming in the Lower 48 states, including about 2,700 in Minnesota, more than 1,000 in Wisconsin and more than 500 in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula.

Wolves have been technically listed as “threatened’’ for most of the last 40 years in Minnesota, which has allowed limited, targeted trapping of wolves by the U.S. Department of Agriculture near where pets and livestock have been killed. That program has killed about 200 wolves each year in Minnesota even under their protected status. Wolves have been listed as “endangered’’ in Wisconsin and Michigan and no lethal control has been allowed since 2014.

Other stable populations are located in the Rocky Mountain west and Pacific Northwest. Colorado voters next week will decide whether their state should reintroduce wolves to that ecosystem. The proposal would not impact Mexican gray wolves, which are listed separately under the Endangered Species Act. The estimated 12,000 gray wolves in Alaska also are not impacted by the move.


6000 in Minnesota and Wisconsin alone


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