Chicken folks!
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So, I’ve sold my house and am in the process of building an new house. It is a small community that encourages livestock and chickens.
I’m really considering a small flock of ladies, maybe 12-18 girls. I’m not wanting roosters.
I plan to get 4-6 a year and cull them as needed. Really thinking dual purpose breed so they can go into the stew pot.
I am considering the following breeds, but will take other recommendations.
Plymouth Rock Dominique Buff Orpington Speckled sussex Columbian Wyandotte Australorp Delaware
I don’t want birds that are too broody and want them to be docile, but I understand each bird has a different personality!
With that said, what would be a good option for adding chickens? Getting multiple chickens of the same types? Or, mixing breeds and getting a few of each to see how they fit in?
Any other tips, or need to know information is welcome.
Also, I know I am planning to get a few birds at a time. But want to build a coop, thinking 8’x8’ but don’t want it to be too big. Planning a run that is 20’x20’.
Thanks in advance for your tips and helpful information.
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Re: Chicken folks!
[Re: DelawareRob]
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Adding chickens to a existing flock generally doesn't go well. They don't like the newcomers and will beat them up.
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Re: Chicken folks!
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Adding chickens to a existing flock generally doesn't go well. They don't like the newcomers and will beat them up. I am new to this and just in the planning phase. Thanks, for the information. So if I get all of them at the same time, and when they start to decrease egg production, what is a good plan for culling them and still having egg production? Would I just have to accept that I won’t have eggs for 20 weeks after culling? Could I add a small coop with an excluder until the younger chickens have established a pecking order?
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Re: Chicken folks!
[Re: DelawareRob]
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I order 16 to 18 every two years because I sell eggs and like young good laying birds I also enjoy getting a new breed every 2 years. I've had like 8 breeds and like the Delawares the best . The grey ones are saphire Gems ...first time I mixed different breeds. Bought them because they're supposed to lay real well.
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Re: Chicken folks!
[Re: DelawareRob]
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I'd advise skipping backyardchickens as thats a chickens as pets type site and those folks are crazy. Just wait until one posts something like "what's killing my girls" and you as a friendly trapper offer some advice. Poultry is livestock and you would be better served by a prepping or homesteading site or even this one.
Don't fall for the dual purpose meets all needs. While you most certainly can eat spent hens and get more meat off a dual breed you won't want to do it after eating a few. Spent hens like old roosters are better in the soup pot than than in the roaster. The main advantage of the duals is when hatching off the next batch of layers which by law of probability will be half cockerels. All but the best looking two cockerels can be eaten at a young and tender age. The best two are your breeders. The penalty for duals is feeding those heavies.
JMO, if costs are a concern buy sexed laying breed pullets if you can tolerate leghorn craziness for your egg production and straight run Cornish for your meat birds.
However, most of us just like chickens and aren't penciling it out.
Of the breeds listed delewares are my favorite but be advised most hatchery stock don't live up to the full potential of the breed. Do some research and buy good stock. There are several FB groups devoted to that breed. Or you could make your own if you can get good quality New Hampshire and Barred Rocks, but that's at least a four generation project. Orpingtons are another great option probably being to most docile breed I've ever owned. Careful if running a mixed flock as they can be bullied by more aggressive breeds like the Rhode Islands. Wyandottes are similar to orpingtons in temperament and egg production which isn't surprising as they were used in developing the orpingtons. No experience with the Sussex other than the ones a neighbor has, beautiful birds. She switched over to them from orpingtons and says they lay just as good. Dominiques seem the have suffered somewhat over their history as they fell out of popularity leaving few breeders trying to keep them to both standard and utility. Then as they gained popularity numbers were cranked out without regard to quality. That's not to say there aren't good ones available but like the delewares the best are in the hands of fanciers not the hatcheries. Australorps are an improved orpington for egg production though you wouldn't know it by looking at them. Mainly crossed on leghorn types to up production. Tend to be more flighty than orps but nowhere near as crazy as leghorns.
Let me toss out another suggestion for a laying breed, minorcas. My personal favorite layer. In my experience only the commercial leghorns can out produce them. They lay on par with and better than most non commercial leghorn varieties. And the minorca specialty is large and extra large quality white shelled eggs. They share the mediterranean class flightiness with the other light breeds without the leghorn craziness. Mainly they are aloof and would rather not be handled compared to the leghorns freaking out when approached. And another good quality of a well bred, non hatchery, minorca is that as the largest of the mediterraneans they serve well as table fare. I'm hoping to get a start of the rarest of them this spring, rose combed whites. Less than half a dozen flocks in the entire country.
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Re: Chicken folks!
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I hatch and raise a lot of chickens. Any of the breeds you named are okay. I like Rhode Island Reds and Silver Laced Wyandottes too, which are the only two standard breeds I raised this year. My Silver Laced Wyandottes lay better than any other breed I have kept, during the Winter, without artificial light.
If you just want egg production, you can not beat a production white leghorn. They are more feed efficient and lay more eggs than any other breed. They lay white eggs. They are small, but can go into the stew pot too.
You will get the most efficent brown eggs from the crosses such as ISA Browns, Golden Comets, Red Stars and Black Stars. They don't breed true. The ISA Browns are the heaviest of the crosses. I bought and killed 100 spent ISA's on 10/2/2020 and they averaged 4.35 pounds live weight.
If you have kids, or want to watch the chickens a lot, I would get several different breeds or crossbreeds.
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Re: Chicken folks!
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Hard to beat rhode island reds,we also like black sex links,buff orpingtons will get broody, as far as changing your birds, we have our coop and outside run split so we can start our new ones, when they start laying we butcher old ones, then you can switch chickens from pen to pen to let it grow back up.we have 29 new layers 3 breeds above 20 eggs yesterday.
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Re: Chicken folks!
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Hard to beat rhode island reds,we also like black sex links,buff orpingtons will get broody, as far as changing your birds, we have our coop and outside run split so we can start our new ones, when they start laying we butcher old ones, then you can switch chickens from pen to pen to let it grow back up.we have 29 new layers 3 breeds above 20 eggs yesterday.
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Re: Chicken folks!
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We do pretty much exactly what you are planing. We add 4-6 birds a year and cull the older birds as their egg production stops or slows down. I just killed two blue australorps this weekend that hadn't laid in about two weeks, We generally have 6-10 birds at a time. We keep them in a 6 x 6 coop with an attached 25 x 25 run. We buy our chicks locally when they are a few days old and raise them in an old rabbit hutch until they are big enough not to slip through the fence (about six weeks). By then they are big enough that the older birds won't kill them. Here's the coop and the old rabbit hutch. the coop has a man door and a chicken door that leads to the run. The run was lawn the year before, even 6-8 chickens will knock it down to bare ground in a year or two. We free range whenever someone is home and the dogs can be out to protect the flock. Leaving them free range unattended around here will just feed the foxes. I love my home-raised eggs, store-bought just can't compare.
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Re: Chicken folks!
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"I'd advise skipping backyardchickens as thats a chickens as pets type site and those folks are crazy"
I agree. That site has went way down hill from what it once was. Mainly due to over moderation from a bunch of bitter old hens.
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