Signature to sell your fur?
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What's with the signing for "traceability" when selling to Groeny?
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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Most retail outlets wont handle articles that are not C+T. Been like that for quite a while now industry wide.Not just the fur industry but other renewables also.Fish,Wood, etc.
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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What's with the signing for "traceability" when selling to Groeny? If you signed it, were you lying? No body here would lie or cheat.
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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Tell them it is for a democrat. You will be fine.
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: Dirt]
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11/23/20 08:06 PM
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What's with the signing for "traceability" when selling to Groeny? If you signed it, were you lying? No body here would lie or cheat. I never sold anything to him. I saw it in his live feed on YouTube when he was in Iowa.
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: Boco]
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11/23/20 08:07 PM
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Most retail outlets wont handle articles that are not C+T. Been like that for quite a while now industry wide.Not just the fur industry but other renewables also.Fish,Wood, etc. C+T?
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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11/23/20 08:15 PM
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Most retail outlets wont handle articles that are not C+T. Been like that for quite a while now industry wide.Not just the fur industry but other renewables also.Fish,Wood, etc. C+T? Certifide and Traceable. Marketing nonesense that( apparently) requires most trappers to sign a form that says a Trapper does all of the following things (a laundry list ) that most trappers don't or can't do or don't want to do.
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: Boco]
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11/23/20 08:25 PM
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You can call it nonsense but it is demanded by todays concientious consumer. I did. The Consumer wants me to lie? Maybe he does.
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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11/23/20 08:26 PM
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You cant lie-you will be held to account-that is why its traceable. Something cant be certified if it cannot be traced for verification.
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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Traceable is where it comes from. Certification is me lying about myself. Or is the fur being traced to liars? or maybe us non-liars just won't be able to sell fur cheap to Groeny or his agent in Fairbanks?
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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No they can trace the product back to the producer then if there is an issue-they can do a blind audit of your trapline operation.If you dont pass muster you wont be allowed to sell anymore or will have to sell outside the C+T same when you are caught lying on your declaration(like a customs declaration you may get away with it once or twice).That is where it is slowly going-look at other industries that are further along.
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: Boco]
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You can call it nonsense but it is demanded by todays concientious consumer. Don't you mean what the conscientious bunny hugger demands. They have been feeding the retailers a line of crap to make them believe that is the case. Tell me how a person can tell if the fur was trapped, shot, run down with dogs, or picked up off the highway. The consumer can't, the retailer can't, and the manufacture can't. Just a bunch of smoke and mirrors a feel good thing.
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: Boco]
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No they can trace the product back to the producer then if there is an issue-they can do a blind audit of your trapline operation.If you dont pass muster you wont be allowed to sell anymore or will have to sell outside the C+T same when you are caught lying on your declaration(like a customs declaration you may get away with it once or twice).That is where it is slowly going-look at other industries that are further along.
Why do I have to train my competition to be one of Groeny's Certified Trappers? Does Groeny help and train new furbuyers?
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: wissmiss]
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11/23/20 09:06 PM
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Boco - so you’re saying that if an inspector goes to Groenwald’s warehouse in Illinois and Groenewald has 6,500 coyotes in that warehouse and the inspector randomly pulls one pelt out of that pile of coyotes, that Groenwald can tell the inspector who he bought that coyote from??
If that is what you are saying, I’m throwing the BS flag. In fact, I will throw 2 flags. Just saying it isn’t possible. X2 at least. The Auction house may have everything bar coded and know where it came from, but I can assure you no American Fur Buyer does.
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: Boco]
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11/23/20 09:15 PM
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No they can trace the product back to the producer then if there is an issue-they can do a blind audit of your trapline operation.If you dont pass muster you wont be allowed to sell anymore or will have to sell outside the C+T same when you are caught lying on your declaration(like a customs declaration you may get away with it once or twice).That is where it is slowly going-look at other industries that are further along.
A blind audit of my trapline operation? Can I get more than one? I could use the help carrying stuff.
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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Groeny has to start somewhere if he wants to stay in the game.You think he is participating in C+T out of his own choosing,lol. C+T is well established in many industries and the fur industry is sucking the hind tit as usual,but they are slowly getting there.
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: wissmiss]
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11/23/20 10:30 PM
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Boco - so you’re saying that if an inspector goes to Groenwald’s warehouse in Illinois and Groenewald has 6,500 coyotes in that warehouse and the inspector randomly pulls one pelt out of that pile of coyotes, that Groenwald can tell the inspector who he bought that coyote from??
If that is what you are saying, I’m throwing the BS flag. In fact, I will throw 2 flags. Just saying it isn’t possible. But, if he has a signed statement for every purchase he has made, he can demonstrate that he knows where every piece of fur came from. If they force him to break it down to each individual piece of fur, that will significantly increase his cost of doing business. I believe it is more of a feel good thing than a requirement to track each individual pelt back to the producer. GFW is simply doing what they have to do to stay in business.
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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11/23/20 10:55 PM
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Did Groeny pass a furbuyers eduction course? Should be mandatory!
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: garart]
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B.S. Boco the canucks bowed to europes wishes to "legitimize" .fur harvesting, your perspective (as a Cancuk ) is to follow this line of thinking ( traceability ) . We Americans don't answer to Europe or anyone else. Our major markets are no longer are in europe, they are in China and Russia, when things are normalized in these countries the market WILL rebound again! Canada bows to no one.Study your history.The French Canadians in lower Canada whipped you good in 1775,then a few years later in 1812 the Scots/Irish Canadians and their indigenous allies gave you another likken. And you learned.
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[Re: Boco]
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You cant lie-you will be held to account-that is why its traceable. Something cant be certified if it cannot be traced for verification. What kind of Canadian kool aid did you drink? The yuppies quote something to you and Now you Espouse to it?????
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[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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I don't think Tecumseh thought you lobster backs and the natives gave the Americans a licking, at least in the battle he was killed...
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B.S. Boco the canucks bowed to europes wishes to "legitimize" .fur harvesting, your perspective (as a Cancuk ) is to follow this line of thinking ( traceability ) . We Americans don't answer to Europe or anyone else. Our major markets are no longer are in europe, they are in China and Russia, when things are normalized in these countries the market WILL rebound again! Canada bows to no one.Study your history.The French Canadians in lower Canada whipped you good in 1775,then a few years later in 1812 the Scots/Irish Canadians and their indigenous allies gave you another likken. And you learned. Hahaa,,you better study.You did what we ordered,,and you think you won.Hahahaaaaa.Now you bow to the Queen,,or I guess I should say Queens.Hahahahahahahaa Your lucky we let you keep Pakistanada.
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Canuck's are always bowing to someone, much like the britts, BoCo. If you boys would stand up for your selves the queen in Angland would be looking for a new lackey boy! LOL Shouldn't pick on Boco like that Don't you know hes an honorary Elderberry or somethin like that.Hahahaaa
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[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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I'm going to sign Bocos name when I sell on Dec 5th
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Re: Signature to sell your fur?
[Re: QuietButDeadly]
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Boco - so you’re saying that if an inspector goes to Groenwald’s warehouse in Illinois and Groenewald has 6,500 coyotes in that warehouse and the inspector randomly pulls one pelt out of that pile of coyotes, that Groenwald can tell the inspector who he bought that coyote from??
If that is what you are saying, I’m throwing the BS flag. In fact, I will throw 2 flags. Just saying it isn’t possible. But, if he has a signed statement for every purchase he has made, he can demonstrate that he knows where every piece of fur came from. If they force him to break it down to each individual piece of fur, that will significantly increase his cost of doing business. I believe it is more of a feel good thing than a requirement to track each individual pelt back to the producer. GFW is simply doing what they have to do to stay in business. So were does the traceability come in or is that just more bs like most people see it as
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[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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Wild Fur Forever (WFF) Certification Form Wild Fur Forever (WFF) Pledge – Signed by Hunter/Trapper ** OR ** Signed by Dealer who can certify that the hunters and trappers they bought from can certify to the following: I harvested all animals in accordance with all state, provincial, and tribal laws; specifically the Agreement on International Humane Trapping Standards (AIHTS) or Best Management Practices (BMP) * I voluntarily take part in education programs and I am willing to learn and use new humane methods. * I assist farmers, residents and other landowners in my area who have nuisance animal problems. * I make notes on furbearer harvest and conditions on my trapping/hunting grounds to assist in harvest reporting and in monitoring populations of furbearers and prey/food species. * I report or submit diseased animals to the local district/area Office of Natural Resources. * I teach children or other interested young people to trap/hunt, care for pelts, and take care of themselves. * I use meat not used for human consumption to feed birds or other wild animals when it is beneficial and legal. Applies to trappers only: I use only approved traps. * I use the most humane and efficient capture devices available to each species. * I used a killing type trap when applicable. * I inspect live holding sets as required. * I ensure traps were not set where dogs, cats, or other unwanted animals may be caught. * I support my state/provincial/local trappers’ organization. ______BOCO_____________________________(_______________)_____ Office Use Only: Ck#______________ Signature Date
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^^^ Perfect-The ethical way to conduct business. Been educating trappers and the public for years on the reasons why we have to operate in an ethical manner for the benefit of the industry.
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[Re: Boco]
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^^^ Perfect-The ethical way to conduct business. Been educating trappers and the public for years on the reasons why we have to operate in an ethical manner for the benefit of the industry. Where is this magical place where you can set your traps to ensure dogs, cats, or other unwanted animals may not be caught? I need education.
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[Re: Boco]
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No they can trace the product back to the producer then if there is an issue-they can do a blind audit of your trapline operation.If you dont pass muster you wont be allowed to sell anymore or will have to sell outside the C+T same when you are caught lying on your declaration(like a customs declaration you may get away with it once or twice).That is where it is slowly going-look at other industries that are further along.
.......how? The hundreds of coon where threw in a pile all mixed together lol
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No they can trace the product back to the producer then if there is an issue-they can do a blind audit of your trapline operation.If you dont pass muster you wont be allowed to sell anymore or will have to sell outside the C+T same when you are caught lying on your declaration(like a customs declaration you may get away with it once or twice).That is where it is slowly going-look at other industries that are further along.
.......how? The hundreds of coon where threw in a pile all mixed together lol Hes talkin about Pakistanada traplines,,where the gubmint issues you a little chunk of land,,and then watches you through a microscope while you use it.Hes not talkin about us free Americans.
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[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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I've never signed my name to sell fur...or have I? ..........God save the Queen!!!!!
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I've never signed my name to sell fur...or have I? ..........God save the Queen!!!!! Sure you have. You signed a Contract. This new one is an Affidavit. It requires you to be immoral for little financial gain.
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[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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You have a choice to not be an immoral liar. You dont have to sell anything to anyone if you dont like their conditions of sale. Same thing with the consumer.
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[Re: trapdog1]
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I sold some beaver to Groney today. Signed my name Freddy Fender. Lol.
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[Re: bblwi]
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Next time have them write the check to the name you choose to use and see if that works for you.
Bryce That would be foolish. My proper name on the check is important. The traceability thing not so much. Growenwold wants you to sign, but they don't actually care. Just going through the motions.
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