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Re: Making a suppressor [Re: larrywaugh] #7062255
11/25/20 10:06 AM
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DON'T DO IT!


Silencers, which are classified as Title 2 weapons in the United States, require special permits, taxes and approval by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), according to the website of silencer manufacturer Gemtech. The sale, purchase or manufacture of a silencer is prohibited in eight states. California, Iowa, Massachusetts and Michigan allow only class 3 firearms dealers and class 2 firearms manufacturers, not individuals, to own silencers. No one may possess unmarked homemade silencers in the U.S.

Silencer Manufacture Law
According to the ATF, silencer and other Title 2 firearm manufacturers must submit an application for the making and registering of a new firearm, pay a $200 manufacture tax per firearm and receive ATF approval before the creation of such a weapon. Individuals desiring to make a silencer must meet these conditions and obtain permission to act as a Title 2 firearm manufacturer beforehand. Only government-approved and authorized individuals may legally perform silencer repairs in the U.S. Minor repairs involving the replacement of small serial-number-labeled parts must be made with replacement parts with the same corresponding serial number. All silencer parts bearing serial numbers must match. Major repairs include recalibration and main tube replacement, both of which create a new weapon.


Silencer Calibration Law
A silencer modified to fire a different caliber bullet for use with a different caliber gun becomes a different weapon, according to the ATF. Only approved silencer repair facilities may alter silencer calibration. These repairs require manufacturers to submit an application for making and registering a new firearm, pay a $200 new firearm tax and receive ATF approval for the creation of the desired weapon. The ATF believes a weapon modified from the original designed purpose creates a wholly new weapon that, for public safety reasons, must receive the proper documentation and filing as such. For example, altering a .22-caliber silencer for use with an unregistered .38 could potentially allow a person to commit a crime with a weapon easily reported stolen.

Silencer Main Tube Replacement Law
The ATF considers the main tube replacement of a damaged silencer the creation of a new weapon as well. However, different reasons apply to this decision. The ATF catalogues silencers according to serial numbers and strongly recommends manufacturers place these numbers plainly on the exterior of the main tube. The replacement of the main tube requires a newly numbered unit more often than not. The ATF considers this new unit a new weapon. Because all serial numbered components should match, all previous numbered parts must be altered to reflect the new number. The issuance of a new serial number requires the requisite application, fees and ATF-approval.

Source: https://legalbeagle.com/6813428-regulations-making-silencer.html


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Re: Making a suppressor [Re: larrywaugh] #7062282
11/25/20 10:36 AM
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I agree with those who say not to do it, especially if there's any chance it could potentially ruin your business.


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Re: Making a suppressor [Re: larrywaugh] #7062338
11/25/20 11:29 AM
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Sounds like the paper work would take a week to fill out.

Re: Making a suppressor [Re: rex123] #7062356
11/25/20 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rex123
Sounds like the paper work would take a week to fill out.


And a year to get back.


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Re: Making a suppressor [Re: larrywaugh] #7062369
11/25/20 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by larrywaugh
We know the guy pretty well he owns a business close by and we have made things for him in the past. The part where he wanted us to make it before he done the paperwork scared me.



NO, NO, NO. You can submit a form 1 and make one for yourself AFTER your approved tax stamp is in hand.


You can't legally make one for someone else unless you have your 07 S.O.T. that makes you a licens firearms manufacturer league to make silencers and machineguns..

Everything he said is wrong 100%.

Re: Making a suppressor [Re: Steven 49er] #7062371
11/25/20 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by larrywaugh
We know the guy pretty well he owns a business close by and we have made things for him in the past. The part where he wanted us to make it before he done the paperwork scared me.



NO, NO, NO. You can submit a form 1 and make one for yourself AFTER your approved tax stamp is in hand.


You can't legally make one for someone else unless you have your 07 S.O.T. that makes you a licens firearms manufacturer league to make silencers and machineguns..

Everything he said is wrong 100%.
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Originally Posted by Law Dog
Pretty sure the paper work comes first!


Not to f you make it yourself. Can't use it till the paperwork is done though



This is wrong. You must have an approved form one before you make it.

Re: Making a suppressor [Re: larrywaugh] #7062374
11/25/20 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by larrywaugh
I own a machine shop. Yesterday we were approached by a customer wanting us to make a suppressor he had designed. He says that it is legal for us to build he will then fill out the paperwork for him to own it. My question is is this true. I dont want to do anything that is not legal.


Canít see much profit in that deal. I would politely decline and move on.

Re: Making a suppressor [Re: larrywaugh] #7062375
11/25/20 12:21 PM
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Lots of good information at subguns.com on class ll and lll ownership issues.


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Re: Making a suppressor [Re: larrywaugh] #7062382
11/25/20 12:27 PM
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No and No! That would be dangerous business.


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Re: Making a suppressor [Re: Providence Farm] #7062412
11/25/20 01:04 PM
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Providence Farm is correct!!! You can send in Form 1 and in about 30-40 days you can start building YOUR suppressor AFTER it has had the proper ingraving done . BUT the engraving MUST be the proper depth . Silencer Forum . Will give you the correct way to do it. SO it is true = IF YOU pay your 200 dollars for tax stamp, wait around 40 days for Form 1 to clear = NOT 1 year = Then engrave serial number AND OR YOUR trust info you can build a LEGAL suppressor . So yes = you can build 1 AFTER you do the paper work, BUT be carefull! Follow the rules. Do them in correct order. And in 60 days or less you will have a legal suppressor

Re: Making a suppressor [Re: steeltraps] #7062428
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Providence Farm is correct!!! You can send in Form 1 and in about 30-40 days you can start building YOUR suppressor AFTER it has had the proper ingraving done . BUT the engraving MUST be the proper depth . Silencer Forum . Will give you the correct way to do it. SO it is true = IF YOU pay your 200 dollars for tax stamp, wait around 40 days for Form 1 to clear = NOT 1 year = Then engrave serial number AND OR YOUR trust info you can build a LEGAL suppressor . So yes = you can build 1 AFTER you do the paper work, BUT be carefull! Follow the rules. Do them in correct order. And in 60 days or less you will have a legal suppressor


I agree with all of this. I have built 2 for myself. The turn around time on them was around 30 days for each stamp. It was a fun project and my guns are more enjoyable to shoot now. smile

Re: Making a suppressor [Re: larrywaugh] #7062434
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Nfa talk is a good place for info. But have some thick skin.

Re: Making a suppressor [Re: larrywaugh] #7062457
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AS of right now. You can buy a = Solvent Trap = on gunbroker. Send in 200 dollars for tax stamp, with your Form 1 . WAIT . Then engrave AND THEN drill just 1 hole and you have a LEGAL suppressor. I am NOT a lawyer!!! This may change soon. SO owning the parts = AKA = Solvent Trap is a legal suppressor at this moment IF , IF you follow the rules!! SO for about 275-300 dollars. You can own a legal suppessor. DO THE reading.Follow the legal way. and have a suppressor in 40 days or less!

Re: Making a suppressor [Re: danny clifton] #7062561
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Its legal under state law so long as you stamp Made in Kansas on it. That has been tried though by a couple guys in Junction City. The feds will enforce gun law no matter what state law says. They ignore drug laws over state laws but not gun laws. In fact here in Kansas the law says it is a felony to enforce federal gun law but the state let the wolves eat those guys. Don't do it. Its a good bet he is an ATF agent.


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Re: Making a suppressor [Re: larrywaugh] #7062562
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Re: Making a suppressor [Re: Boco] #7062671
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Also has to be engraved 1/16 th of inch on serial # and or Trust

Re: Making a suppressor [Re: steeltraps] #7062679
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Providence Farm is correct!!! You can send in Form 1 and in about 30-40 days you can start building YOUR suppressor AFTER it has had the proper ingraving done . BUT the engraving MUST be the proper depth . Silencer Forum . Will give you the correct way to do it. SO it is true = IF YOU pay your 200 dollars for tax stamp, wait around 40 days for Form 1 to clear = NOT 1 year = Then engrave serial number AND OR YOUR trust info you can build a LEGAL suppressor . So yes = you can build 1 AFTER you do the paper work, BUT be carefull! Follow the rules. Do them in correct order. And in 60 days or less you will have a legal suppressor



Steel trap did a better job explaining than I could. I knew it could be done and relatively easy but you have to somewhat do it yourself. You can legally buy unfinished kits like steel trap said.

This is how I'll do my next suppressor.

Last edited by Steven 49er; 11/25/20 06:03 PM.
Re: Making a suppressor [Re: larrywaugh] #7062712
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Steven 49er , Keep in mind. This could change at any minute. Example = there was a time when having all the parts = for a suppressor = was in fact = Conspiracy To Manufacture A Unlicensed Sliencer OR unlicensed NFA product. Im not a lawyer BUT I think around 2017-2018 a federal judges made a ruling on = Solvent Traps? Its just a piece of metal with baffles UNTIL you drill that last hole was the jus of it i think?

Re: Making a suppressor [Re: larrywaugh] #7063072
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On the up side,if you have nothing planned for the next 15 years (day for day) that doesn't involve grey jump suites and lots of other men then hey go for it. I have plenty to do if I make it 15 more years so I would pass.


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Re: Making a suppressor [Re: larrywaugh] #7063099
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No and anyone with a class 3 permit will tell you the same.

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