Re: Larch lumber
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It is hard as a rock when dry-you cant drive a nail in it without bending.It is rot resistant in water-a lot of docks and cribbing are made of tamarack(larch).It also warps quite a bit when drying. Here there are two kinds.One grows straight with hardly any branches(from thick stands}.Others are very branchy and knotty.
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Re: Larch lumber
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I'm going to have to disagree with Boco. I know, big surprise right? LOL
Eastern Larch (Tamarack) is not really hard at all, it is way down the Janka scale at around 600 and is only rated at moderately rot resistant, same as second growth cypress.
Old growth Cypress it rated durable to very durable.
Larch is a bit harder than the cypress you are used to working with but not by much.
My source is the Wood Database.
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Re: Larch lumber
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This isn't on track, but lumber around here is all stamped SPF. You could be getting Spruce, Pine, or Fir. I love the smell of cutting OLD dimension lumber. I don't know what is is but definitely what we get offered today.
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Re: Larch lumber
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It is hard as a rock when dry-you cant drive a nail in it without bending. Lol. You canadians are soft.
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Re: Larch lumber
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Hackmatack, Larch or Tamarack, however you want to refer to is my new favorite hard softwood. I've used it for trim on my cabin and love it. It is much denser than spruce, fir or pine and more attractive to my way of thinking. I'm in the process of sourcing some for my floor.
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Re: Larch lumber
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This isn't on track, but lumber around here is all stamped SPF. You could be getting Spruce, Pine, or Fir. I love the smell of cutting OLD dimension lumber. I don't know what is is but definitely what we get offered today. I doubt you will be finding any larch/tamarack stamped SPF, if you do, I believe it is miss-stamped. The SPF category should be "white woods" such as the spruces, some pines, and true firs (of which there are many). Larch and Douglas fir (not really a fir) are lumped together according to Western Wood Products grading rules. How about Alaska yellow cedar for bee boxes? It is rot resistant, rather dense, and very easy to work with. It is really aromatic though, I don't know if that would be a problem.
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Re: Larch lumber
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Eastern red cedar is rated excellent in resistance to both decay and insect damage.
You might as well build your bee boxes out of gold tough, It would probably cost less. LOL
I built some bee boxes years ago. i used white pine because it was cheap and readily available. i painted everything with Behr Solid Color stain (my go-to exterior stain) and attached aluminum flashing to the tops. They have held up well.
Are you planning to leave the boxes natural and untreated/unpainted?
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Re: Larch lumber
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I would forget about larch because shipping costs are going to be higher than product cost and you have plenty of rot resistant wood species locally available. White oak, sassafras and black locust come to mind. Granted, you’re getting into obscure species but still more readily available than larch.
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Re: Larch lumber
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I would forget about larch because shipping costs are going to be higher than product cost and you have plenty of rot resistant wood species locally available. White oak, sassafras and black locust come to mind. Granted, you’re getting into obscure species but still more readily available than larch. That's exactly what I figured but was just curious.
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Re: Larch lumber
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I would forget about larch because shipping costs are going to be higher than product cost and you have plenty of rot resistant wood species locally available. White oak, sassafras and black locust come to mind. Granted, you’re getting into obscure species but still more readily available than larch. That's exactly what I figured but was just curious. Granted, if you plan on taking a trip to the glaciated north this summer it would be easy enough to arrange with a small sawmill to have some on hand for you. That would lump the shipping cost into your trip and give you an excuse to get off the beaten path.
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Re: Larch lumber
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I was taught by an old master cabinet maker and can't bring myself to just slap a coat of latex on a box. If I'm going to paint it's going to be oil prime and topcoat That's pretty typical of old masters...back in the day oil was king. Today latex products have come a long long way. Quality makers like Sherwin Williams have exterior latex paint with 40, 50 year and lifetime warranties, with easier substrate requirements than oil. On wood materials, latex is usually preferred these days.
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Re: Larch lumber
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I was taught by an old master cabinet maker and can't bring myself to just slap a coat of latex on a box. If I'm going to paint it's going to be oil prime and topcoat That's pretty typical of old masters...back in the day oil was king. Today latex products have come a long long way. Quality makers like Sherwin Williams have exterior latex paint with 40, 50 year and lifetime warranties, with easier substrate requirements than oil. On wood materials, latex is usually preferred these days. Maybe, but until it's proven to me that bee boxes stacked won't stick together I don't want latex. That and I like glass like gloss.
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Re: Larch lumber
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Maybe, but until it's proven to me that bee boxes stacked won't stick together I don't want latex. That and I like glass like gloss.
Fair enough; it does take most latex awhile to get that hard. There are some impressive water-based enamels now though, and some of them actually cure faster than the oil-based equivalent. Watee-borne polyurethane is one example. Much harder faster and clearer than oil-based.
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Re: Larch lumber
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Does your eastern tamarack needles turn yellow in the fall and drop off, a deciduous conifer? The only "larch" I know about is the tree out of the northern Rockies that does just that... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larix_occidentalis
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