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Let's face reality #7086416
12/12/20 06:47 PM
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I wish we would just let it run its course. It is called survival of the fittest. We do not hear anything in the news about Sweden anymore. They were blasted by the world media for moving on pretty much as normal. I would really like to know how many people with no underlying health conditions have died from covid. If it is under one percent, than this whole situation is a crock. I just talked to a friend who I taught how to trap several years ago. I asked him how this covid bull had treated him. He laughed and said all the people in his household had had it or tested positive. He tested positive, asymptomatic no symptoms, his wife who is a little overweight fought it like a cold, his daughter the same, his granddaughter a little fussy for a few days. The one hit hardest (not hospitalized) was the daughters boyfriend. Yes, I have personally lost people to covid. My dad passed away last April (underlying Conditions) and my sister-in-law's mother (underlying conditions) last October. I am a school teacher and see each day what we are putting people through. I was in tears on Thursday, because all of my students showed up for the first time in our third week of going virtual for the second time this year. This is my 32 year and I am calling it quits at the end of the school year. This is just a bunch of bull####.

Re: Let's face reality [Re: otterc] #7086419
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Japan has had more suicides in the last month than Covid deaths in the last year.

Re: Let's face reality [Re: otterc] #7086423
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You did not mention the fact that 1 in 3 that come down with Covid end up having long term complications. To me that is a game changer. This country will be paying dearly for many years to come in the increased cost of healthcare and loss of productivity that is likely to follow.


My fear of moving stairs is escalating!
Re: Let's face reality [Re: otterc] #7086432
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long term effects, ICUs nearing capacity, the whole situation is a mess. No good options but "running its course" would have overwhelmed our health care system months ago. Its getting bad and next few months going to be rough. Light at end of tunnel now though.

Re: Let's face reality [Re: otterc] #7086436
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you mentioned Sweden...12 December 2020

"Sweden is running out of intensive care beds amid soaring cases of Covid-19 and may have to reach out to other nations, an expert has warned.

Intensive care units in the capital, Stockholm, hit hardest during the country's second wave, hit 99 per cent capacity this week, the Daily Mail reports.

Sweden, which remained staunchly lockdown-free while most of the world adopted restrictions, may soon need to reach out to its neighbours for help."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/co...s-cases-soar/NV27IJI3G7RSG5XDC2OQROZVKM/

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Re: Let's face reality [Re: otterc] #7086443
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good article on herd immunity published in Nature

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02948-4

Re: Let's face reality [Re: beaverpeeler] #7086444
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
You did not mention the fact that 1 in 3 that come down with Covid end up having long term complications. To me that is a game changer. This country will be paying dearly for many years to come in the increased cost of healthcare and loss of productivity that is likely to follow.

Oh well. We've been burdened by problems from every decade.


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Re: Let's face reality [Re: beaverpeeler] #7086448
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
You did not mention the fact that 1 in 3 that come down with Covid end up having long term complications. To me that is a game changer. This country will be paying dearly for many years to come in the increased cost of healthcare and loss of productivity that is likely to follow.

I know but in 4 years we have the opportunity to change that grin just not in this god forsaken state

Re: Let's face reality [Re: H2ORat] #7086454
12/12/20 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by H2ORat
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
You did not mention the fact that 1 in 3 that come down with Covid end up having long term complications. To me that is a game changer. This country will be paying dearly for many years to come in the increased cost of healthcare and loss of productivity that is likely to follow.

I know but in 4 years we have the opportunity to change that grin just not in this god forsaken state

Or here


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Re: Let's face reality [Re: otterc] #7086476
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Originally Posted by otterc
I wish we would just let it run its course. It is called survival of the fittest. We do not hear anything in the news about Sweden anymore. They were blasted by the world media for moving on pretty much as normal. I would really like to know how many people with no underlying health conditions have died from covid. If it is under one percent, than this whole situation is a crock. I just talked to a friend who I taught how to trap several years ago. I asked him how this covid bull had treated him. He laughed and said all the people in his household had had it or tested positive. He tested positive, asymptomatic no symptoms, his wife who is a little overweight fought it like a cold, his daughter the same, his granddaughter a little fussy for a few days. The one hit hardest (not hospitalized) was the daughters boyfriend. Yes, I have personally lost people to covid. My dad passed away last April (underlying Conditions) and my sister-in-law's mother (underlying conditions) last October. I am a school teacher and see each day what we are putting people through. I was in tears on Thursday, because all of my students showed up for the first time in our third week of going virtual for the second time this year. This is my 32 year and I am calling it quits at the end of the school year. This is just a bunch of bull####.


Humans don’t live by survival of the fittest. If we did you would most likely be dead by now. Isn’t it great?


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Re: Let's face reality [Re: otterc] #7086625
12/12/20 09:24 PM
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^^^LOL.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Let's face reality [Re: otterc] #7086708
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If you get it and you are otherwise healthy, there is a good chance you won’t die. There is also a good chance it will give you irreparable heart and/or lung damage which will likely shorten your life considerably. No good way out of this whole deal.


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Re: Let's face reality [Re: otterc] #7086752
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Never figured it was survival of the fittest, but survival of the most adaptable.

Re: Let's face reality [Re: otterc] #7086761
12/12/20 10:57 PM
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We sacrificed our small businesses and ended up in the same place as a country that didn't. Who did the right thing?

Re: Let's face reality [Re: Jurassic Park] #7086773
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Park
Originally Posted by otterc
I wish we would just let it run its course. It is called survival of the fittest. We do not hear anything in the news about Sweden anymore. They were blasted by the world media for moving on pretty much as normal. I would really like to know how many people with no underlying health conditions have died from covid. If it is under one percent, than this whole situation is a crock. I just talked to a friend who I taught how to trap several years ago. I asked him how this covid bull had treated him. He laughed and said all the people in his household had had it or tested positive. He tested positive, asymptomatic no symptoms, his wife who is a little overweight fought it like a cold, his daughter the same, his granddaughter a little fussy for a few days. The one hit hardest (not hospitalized) was the daughters boyfriend. Yes, I have personally lost people to covid. My dad passed away last April (underlying Conditions) and my sister-in-law's mother (underlying conditions) last October. I am a school teacher and see each day what we are putting people through. I was in tears on Thursday, because all of my students showed up for the first time in our third week of going virtual for the second time this year. This is my 32 year and I am calling it quits at the end of the school year. This is just a bunch of bull####.


Humans don’t live by survival of the fittest. If we did you would most likely be dead by now. Isn’t it great?


It'll be survival of the fattest when all the money dries up and the food is gone.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Let's face reality [Re: beaverpeeler] #7086837
12/13/20 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
You did not mention the fact that 1 in 3 that come down with Covid end up having long term complications. To me that is a game changer. This country will be paying dearly for many years to come in the increased cost of healthcare and loss of productivity that is likely to follow.
....so does smoking! what your source? 1 in 3 seems high.

Re: Let's face reality [Re: beaverpeeler] #7086857
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
You did not mention the fact that 1 in 3 that come down with Covid end up having long term complications. To me that is a game changer. This country will be paying dearly for many years to come in the increased cost of healthcare and loss of productivity that is likely to follow.

I know over 10 people that had it and didn’t even know they had it...what complications will they have? What’s even stranger is while they had it and didn’t know it, no one else in their family got it, so will they have complications as well?

Re: Let's face reality [Re: otterc] #7086861
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How come there are not 3 million dead chinamen?

Re: Let's face reality [Re: otterc] #7086874
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No flu this year. can't figure out where it went.

Re: Let's face reality [Re: beaverpeeler] #7086880
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
You did not mention the fact that 1 in 3 that come down with Covid end up having long term complications. To me that is a game changer. This country will be paying dearly for many years to come in the increased cost of healthcare and loss of productivity that is likely to follow.


Where did you come up with that figure ? Covid hasn’t even been around long enough to determine if there will be long term complications. Give us information on the research for this.

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