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Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? #7102216
12/23/20 03:23 PM
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Yep, I am asking you Mark. No games, I am actually interested in your take on that.


"Can't we all just get along?" ---Rodney King (1991)
Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102219
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He was not for killing babies in the womb. Scripture says you should be shrewd with your finances. I say conservative. LLL


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102221
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His kingdom was not of this world. He was apolitical because he knew all governments and politics of this world are controlled by the adversary.

Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: Pike River] #7102223
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Originally Posted by Pike River
His kingdom was not of this world. He was apolitical because he knew all governments and politics of this world are controlled by the adversary.


He appoints all authority. Read in Romans. LLL


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: LLtrapper] #7102230
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Originally Posted by Pike River
His kingdom was not of this world. He was apolitical because he knew all governments and politics of this world are controlled by the adversary.


He appoints all authority. Read in Romans. LLL

He allows them but the whole world lays in the hand of the wicked one. Also for Satan to have a legit temptation when he took Jesus to a high place and offered him the kingdoms of the world, Satan must've possessed them.

Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: LLtrapper] #7102233
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Originally Posted by Pike River
His kingdom was not of this world. He was apolitical because he knew all governments and politics of this world are controlled by the adversary.


He appoints all authority. Read in Romans. LLL


I don't think that's the case. He allows it but doesn't appoint it. As P.R. said these are his adversaries and His Kingdom and His appointed rulers will soon wipe them out. Dan. 2:44

Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102235
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P. R. beat me to it.

Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102238
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Socialist-he scattered the vile moneylenders(capitalists).

Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102242
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Boco, you need to do more studying.

Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102244
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No,You do.
Jesus threw them out of the temple telling them that they were turning the temple into a den of theives(capitalists)
He was clearly a socialist.

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Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102250
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Good luck trying to pigeonhole Jesus and his teachings to fit whatever agenda you happen to be trying to advance... It never works out.

The left love to reference Jesus' teachings and parables about the rich... But Jesus never once condoned stealing from anyone to give to someone else either. Help the poor yourself and quit trying to get government to strong arm everyone into doing it for you.

And you can say the same thing about right wing agendas.

Each person will be judged as an individual when the time comes... Take care of yourself. No one will ever be able to make Jesus' teachings correspond 100% with their political agendas.

Mike


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Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: Boco] #7102253
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Originally Posted by Boco
Socialist-he scattered the vile moneylenders(capitalists).


Good grief.

Money CHANGERS. He chased them out because they were shorting foreign visitors on currency exchanges.

Mike


One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.

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Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: Boco] #7102254
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Originally Posted by Boco
Socialist-he scattered the vile moneylenders(capitalists).



He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 23:36

Capitalist Conservative

But seriously, one can pick apart the Gospel to support whatever fallacy one may choose. Without the whole truth of the living Son of God no amount of politics means a thing.

Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102256
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The house of GOD ain't a place to try and make money.
Has nothing with making money elsewhere.

Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102260
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Libertarian...do the right thing without the government resorting to force to make you.


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Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #7102263
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Originally Posted by Aaron Proffitt
Libertarian...do the right thing without the government resorting to force to make you.


BOOM!

Mike


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Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102286
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Romans 13:1 "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."

establish
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VERB
established (past tense) · established (past participle)
set up (an organization, system, or set of rules) on a firm or permanent basis.
"the British established a rich trade with Portugal"
synonyms:
set up · start · begin · get going · put in place · initiate · institute · form · found · create · bring into being · inaugurate · organize · lay the foundations of · build · construct · install · plant


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102308
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1 Corinthians 9

1Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are not you my workmanship in the Lord? 2If to others I am not an apostle, at least I am to you, for you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.

3This is my defense to those who would examine me. 4Do we not have the right to eat and drink? 5Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife,a as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas? 6Or is it only Barnabas and I who have no right to refrain from working for a living? 7Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard without eating any of its fruit? Or who tends a flock without getting some of the milk?

8Do I say these things on human authority? Does not the Law say the same? 9For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain.” Is it for oxen that God is concerned? 10Does he not certainly speak for our sake? It was written for our sake, because the plowman should plow in hope and the thresher thresh in hope of sharing in the crop. 11If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? 12If others share this rightful claim on you, do not we even more?

Nevertheless, we have not made use of this right, but we endure anything rather than put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ. 13Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings? 14In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.

15But I have made no use of any of these rights, nor am I writing these things to secure any such provision. For I would rather die than have anyone deprive me of my ground for boasting. 16For if I preach the gospel, that gives me no ground for boasting. For necessity is laid upon me. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! 17For if I do this of my own will, I have a reward, but if not of my own will, I am still entrusted with a stewardship. 18What then is my reward? That in my preaching I may present the gospel free of charge, so as not to make full use of my right in the gospel.

19For though I am free from all, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win more of them. 20To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law. 21To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law. 22To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some. 23I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share with them in its blessings.

24Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it. 25Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. 26So I do not run aimlessly; I do not box as one beating the air. 27But I discipline my body and keep it under control,b lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102311
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I would say he was more of a radical.

Forgiveness over Revenge was (is) a radical departure.

Like Will Smith put it " Hate in your heart will consume you too!"


you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102320
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I don’t know but if He were here He would slap the crap out of all of us, starting with beaverpeeler.


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