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Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: Boco] #7102326
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Originally Posted by Boco
Socialist-he scattered the vile moneylenders(capitalists).



weren't they money changers , like the stores at the border that are happy to take your US currency even dollar for dollar when it is worth 29 cents a dollar more than Canadian money.

the money changers , tithes had to be paid in the currency of the temple , but people earned money in roman currency. they would take a cut so your tithes costed you more than the 10%

they were extorting money from the people and he was for transparency in banking this is neither a socialist nor a Capitalist thing. sort of a libertarian ideal of transparency.

I always sort of took it that he was both mad at the money changers and mad at the temple leadership for allowing such extortion , money is not Gods it is a tool of man , that tool could have been used to pay temple repairs , bills, salaries ect. just as well in the trade currency as in the temple currency and the exchange was just a side hustle of the temple leadership and the money changers.

using gods name to steal from gods people.

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Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7102341
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
I dont know but if He were here He would slap the crap out of all of us, starting with beaverpeeler.


My favorite answer. I think the terms liberal or conservative would mean literally nothing to Jesus. Wouldnt he embody both?

Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102350
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Jesus would be all about what God wants.


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Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102376
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You cannot downgrade Jesus into a political figure. What a silly discussion.

Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7102384
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
I dont know but if He were here He would slap the crap out of all of us, starting with beaverpeeler.

grin


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Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: 330-Trapper] #7102389
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
I dont know but if He were here He would slap the crap out of all of us, starting with beaverpeeler.

grin

I guess I'll do the christian thing here and turn the cheek.
smile


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Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102436
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The standard issue sin of conservatives is usually greed I think. Whereas the standard issue sin of liberals is Envy. Seems like to me.

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Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102478
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did Jesus lobby/harangue Rome to care for the poor?

no, He did not.

(at least, it is nowhere in the Bible if He did)


"We didn't come all the way out here just to 'feel them on the line.' "
Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: Boco] #7102484
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Originally Posted by Boco
No,You do.
Jesus threw them out of the temple telling them that they were turning the temple into a den of theives(capitalists)
He was clearly a socialist.


if you willingly pay a certain amount for a good or service and that good or service is as advertised, that is a transaction; not a theft.

capitalists are not thieves. thieves are thieves.


"We didn't come all the way out here just to 'feel them on the line.' "
Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102513
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lol .....

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Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7102523
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by Boco
Socialist-he scattered the vile moneylenders(capitalists).



weren't they money changers , like the stores at the border that are happy to take your US currency even dollar for dollar when it is worth 29 cents a dollar more than Canadian money.

the money changers , tithes had to be paid in the currency of the temple , but people earned money in roman currency. they would take a cut so your tithes costed you more than the 10%

they were extorting money from the people and he was for transparency in banking this is neither a socialist nor a Capitalist thing. sort of a libertarian ideal of transparency.

I always sort of took it that he was both mad at the money changers and mad at the temple leadership for allowing such extortion , money is not Gods it is a tool of man , that tool could have been used to pay temple repairs , bills, salaries ect. just as well in the trade currency as in the temple currency and the exchange was just a side hustle of the temple leadership and the money changers.

using gods name to steal from gods people.



Boco, maybe this will help you out.

Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102525
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boco is Canadian. and indian ? they have a bad feeling for God...
Suprising peller can not look around and see the Glory.
Peller Dude......get back on the River


Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: Pike River] #7102527
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Originally Posted by Pike River
His kingdom was not of this world. He was apolitical because he knew all governments and politics of this world are controlled by the adversary.

Dead on.


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Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: Boco] #7102531
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Originally Posted by Boco

Jesus threw them out of the temple telling them that they were turning the temple into a den of thieves (socialists).
He was clearly a capitalist.

There, fixed it for ya.

The money lenders were clearly socialist.
Onerous taxes and wealth distribution are classic signs of socialism.
Some try to call it "crony capitalism", but we all know that's just a mendacious and disingenuous phrase for dirty rotten socialism.


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Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102557
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Jesus did not own property or even a home, he walked almost always so he created a small foot print, he protested against religious leaders and secular leadership, he stated render onto leadership what is theirs, he valued educating others greatly, he had no regular source of income and lived off the alms of others as did his disciples. He shared greatly what was reaped, consistently raised the value of those outside the accepted culture and demonstrated frequently is disappointment in those that talked the talk but did not walk the walk. Does that make him a socialist or a capitalist? Each of us have the God given thinking ability to choose whatever we want to believe. He asked us to love one another and to love all, which we have a very difficult time doing and it seems the further away in time from his ministry here the less loving and caring we become.

Bryce

Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: white marlin] #7102624
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Originally Posted by white marlin
did Jesus lobby/harangue Rome to care for the poor?

no, He did not.

(at least, it is nowhere in the Bible if He did)

Jesus himself got into trouble with Rome due to him helping the poor instead of the rich.


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Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: bblwi] #7102635
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Originally Posted by bblwi
Jesus did not own property or even a home, he walked almost always so he created a small foot print, he protested against religious leaders and secular leadership, he stated render onto leadership what is theirs, he valued educating others greatly, he had no regular source of income and lived off the alms of others as did his disciples. He shared greatly what was reaped, consistently raised the value of those outside the accepted culture and demonstrated frequently is disappointment in those that talked the talk but did not walk the walk. Does that make him a socialist or a capitalist? Each of us have the God given thinking ability to choose whatever we want to believe. He asked us to love one another and to love all, which we have a very difficult time doing and it seems the further away in time from his ministry here the less loving and caring we become.

Bryce


Have you got any Scripture to back up any if this? I'll give you the "render unto Ceaser" (even though I believe you are taking that out of context), but how about the rest?

Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: Bruce T] #7102642
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The Roman's were against any perceived threat to their power. A King would fit the bill.

Re: Was Jesus more a liberal or a conservative? [Re: beaverpeeler] #7102650
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He probably works on your farm beaverpeeler. If I were you I would ask him.


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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Originally Posted by white marlin
did Jesus lobby/harangue Rome to care for the poor?

no, He did not.

(at least, it is nowhere in the Bible if He did)

Jesus himself got into trouble with Rome due to him helping the poor instead of the rich.


got a reference for this? I don't remember it.

Thanks.


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