Re: What It Was Like Being A Mountain Man In 1800's
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Green River Rendezvous was an annual event in the 1830s. Mountain Men, Trappers, Travelers and Indians all gathered in a valley "below the Green" river and bartered, traded, sold, and swapped various items such as skins, pelts, guns, jewelry and whatever else they needed. All knew the place where Horse Creek flowed into the Green in the Upper Green River Valley, the site of six Rendezvous. The Rendezvous lasted anywhere from a few days to several months and was a time for getting new supplies, renewing acquaintenances with old friends, story swapping, drinking and general rowdiness. Contact Main Street Pinedale for information about the parade and vendor booths: 307-231-0302, www.greenriverrendezvous.com.Join us in July for the Green River Rendezvous
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Re: What It Was Like Being A Mountain Man In 1800's
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Thanks 330 trapper.I also just found this as well about 1835, ministers also became a regular feature at the Rendezvous. Over the years, a few of these included the Reverend Samuel Parker, Father De Smet, and Dr. Marcus Whitman.
The annual rendezvous, referred to as the Rocky Mountain Rendezvous, was often held at Horse Creek on the Green River, now called the Upper Green River Rendezvous Site, near present-day Pinedale, Wyoming. Subsequently, the annual event was also called the Green River Rendezvous.
Hudson Bay Company traders by Henry Alexander Ogden. Hudson Bay Company traders by Henry Alexander Ogden.
By the mid-1830s, the annual event would attract up to 500 men, essentially all the American trappers and traders working in the Rockies, as well as numerous Native Americans. However, this, like so many other endeavors of the Wild West, was soon to change, when the Canadian-based Hudson’s Bay Company determined to destroy the American fur trade. Beginning in 1834, the Hudson’s Bay Company visited the Rocky Mountain Rendezvous to buy and trade for furs. The Canadian company was able to offer manufactured trade goods at prices far below that with which American fur companies could compete. This competition combined with a decline in demand for beaver pelts effectively destroyed the American fur trade system. The last rendezvous was held in 1840.
Of the 15 annual meetings held, eight of the Rendezvous took place at a Green River site and five convened near the junction of Horse Creek and the Green River.
Today, the main Rendezvous site, located near Pinedale, Wyoming is a National Historic Landmark. Each year, a reenactment of the Rendezvous is held on the second Sunday in July each year at the Museum of The Mountain Man in Pinedale. The celebration is part re-enactment and part living history.
The actual Green River Rendezvous site is located four miles west of Pinedale on U.S. Highway 187.
More Information:
Museum of the Mountain Man Sublette County Historical Society Inc PO Box 909 700 E Hennick Pinedale, Wyoming 82941 1-877-686-6266
You may also be interested in the Rocky Mountain National Rendezvous re-enactment website.
© Kathy Weiser/Legends of America, updated February 2020.
Trapper's Last Shot by T.D. Booth Trapper’s Last Shot by T.D. Booth
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Explorers, Trappers, & Traders
Frontier Types
The Great Fur Trade Companies
In a Trapper’s Bivouac
Incidents of the Fur Trade
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Re: What It Was Like Being A Mountain Man In 1800's
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Good morning trappermen. Its been several years ago and my memory isn't what it used to be but I think we went to a trapping museum in northwestern part of Nebraska. Anyone been to it or did I just dream about it. Museum of the Fur Trade, Chadron, Nebraska.
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Re: What It Was Like Being A Mountain Man In 1800's
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Awesome Foxpaw thanks for posting.
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Re: What It Was Like Being A Mountain Man In 1800's
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For sure. Simple things that are so treatable and fixable now, would mean a death sentence back then.
We are told not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but are told to judge all gunowners by the actions of a few.
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Re: What It Was Like Being A Mountain Man In 1800's
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Do you have any info about Rendevous in the Great Lakes area and/or Portage?
The fur trade looked a lot different in the Great Lakes. Goods left Montreal in canoes in the spring to resupply forts and posts. Natives, for the most part, brought their skins to the posts or forts to trade. In the later years, some euro traders would travel to native areas to trade direct. The skins were then canoes back to Montreal. A few euros, less hivernants, would spend the winter with native families. Quite often, the traders would marry into native families for trading ties. Euros did very little fur gathering, unlike the rocky Mountain trade. Some was done, but the bulk of hides were from the natives. When you mention euro's I'm assuming you're referring to the coureur des bois? I feel like WI has a much-underappreciated trapper history. Reading some accounts of when the US finally gained control of WI Greenbay was made up of almost entirely of natives, metis and french. Also when reading the accounts of Kinzie and his experience along the Fox/Wisconsin route.
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Re: What It Was Like Being A Mountain Man In 1800's
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I was wondering if I would get called out for stating that three of the Rendevouz were held in Mexico. Couldn't get anybody to bite.
Utah was Mexican territory at the time.
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Re: What It Was Like Being A Mountain Man In 1800's
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Bruce, the Pinedale information is a little wobbly in my opinion. I am fairly well versed on the mountain man era and I never heard of the Hudson bay Company having any representation at a mountain man Rendevouz in Wyoming. I think the confusion is Wyeth, who was a New Englander with the American Fur company came overland in '34 to compete with the Rocky Mountain Fur company. He got there late if I remember right and had to take his goods elsewhere. I believe he built Fort Hall which eventually was sold to the HBC.
Also, famously, the Americans paid a lot better for beaver which lured some of HBC's free hunters on occasion to sell to the competition.
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Re: What It Was Like Being A Mountain Man In 1800's
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The fur trade looked a lot different in the Great Lakes. Goods left Montreal in canoes in the spring to resupply forts and posts. Natives, for the most part, brought their skins to the posts or forts to trade. In the later years, some euro traders would travel to native areas to trade direct. The skins were then canoes back to Montreal. A few euros, less hivernants, would spend the winter with native families. Quite often, the traders would marry into native families for trading ties. Euros did very little fur gathering, unlike the rocky Mountain trade. Some was done, but the bulk of hides were from the natives.
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When you mention euro's I'm assuming you're referring to the coureur des bois? I feel like WI has a much-underappreciated trapper history. Reading some accounts of when the US finally gained control of WI Greenbay was made up of almost entirely of natives, metis and french. Also when reading the accounts of Kinzie and his experience along the Fox/Wisconsin route. [/quote]
I think they mean Canadians.Canadians from Montreal were the major competition for the HBC.Canadians referred to in the Fur trade history were the Courreur de Bois and worked for many different fur companys who not only competed with the HBC but each other as well.The HBC could tell when Native groups had been trading with the Canadians because the trade goods like knives guns etc were different
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Re: What It Was Like Being A Mountain Man In 1800's
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Interesting side story to the first wagons to cross the rockies.
This was the Spaulding-Whitman party who were headed to the Oregon territory as missionaries. When they showed up at the Rendevouz of '36 they created quite a stir. Now the plains indians were not averse to trading some quality time with their squaws for trade goods. SO ....when they saw Narcissa with her long blond hair and blue eyes they immediately wanted to know which man she belonged to, and "How much"? The trappers were kind of caught in an awkward situation to have to explain that that kind of thing was frowned upon in white society. LOL And the indians suddenly aware of white hypocrisy.
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Re: What It Was Like Being A Mountain Man In 1800's
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Beaverpeelers remark about the whites not selling women prompted me to ask this>
Who was the first woman to ever vote?
Which leaves the question who was the first black man to vote?
They occurred at the same time.
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Re: What It Was Like Being A Mountain Man In 1800's
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The big mountain man get together every year happened in Pinedale Wyoming. All the mountain men gathered there every year. What I am reading is that of the 15 rendezvous held in a 16 year period (1825-1840), 6 were at the Green River/Horse Creek site near Pinedale. That's more than any 2 other sites combined, certainly making it the most significant site. Good map of the sites here: [img] http://thefurtrapper.com/home/rendezvous-sites/[/img]
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Re: What It Was Like Being A Mountain Man In 1800's
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Beaverpeeler, I "got it"!
Foxpaw.....Sacagawea/York
Who was America's first millionaire?.........hint, he had headquarters on Mackinaw Island for a time. At least a "warehouse" of sorts.
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Re: What It Was Like Being A Mountain Man In 1800's
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Beaverpeeler, I "got it"!
Foxpaw.....Sacagawea/York
Who was America's first millionaire?.........hint, he had headquarters on Mackinaw Island for a time. At least a "warehouse" of sorts. Yep thats right, now if I could only pronounce that girls name and it be right. AS for millionaire maybe Astor for first in America and Dousman in Wisconsin, both fur related I think.
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