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Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: 330-Trapper] #7121148
01/05/21 02:12 AM
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Now I have nothing against models. I use them every day. But often the data inserted into the model is poor to awful to complete WAG. And when the model spits out the number, well, its only as good as the data that goes in. And then you gotta apply some critical thinking skills and seriously ask does this make sense? Most of the kids I deal with never ask any questions about the numbers the model spits out. I've seen deer models built that were predicting extinction in the current year with no hunting harvest yet the same kid does the flying survey and classifies well over 2000 deer in an afternoon and have no answer or thought about how the model might be wrong??

Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: 330-Trapper] #7121334
01/05/21 08:37 AM
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From personal experience I have dealt with MNís head of the bear department in particular as have other members here. If he has his way the hunt will end. He has become anti bear hunting and the changes in his outputs show it. Iíll have no more discussions with that department nor share info. Iíll not be made a fool of.
His mindset spreads, if the premier game animal in the state is off limits, the rest will fall easily. Once the DNR finds a conciliatory money source for deer hunting and fishing those too will go.

It wasnít what 6 months ago an impartial commission was put together to study the future of the delisted wolves in MN. Many of us here who saw the list of participants foresaw this exact outcome. At a time when the DNR is crying for money and continually raising fees across the board it wasted resources on this dog and pony show. Again, Iíll not be made a fool of anymore.

Osky


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Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: 330-Trapper] #7121356
01/05/21 08:53 AM
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I only deal with the Wardens now. When The need arises, or we meet in the woods.

I used to have Great contacts, but those have aged and retired.

A Forrester who was mad because he was told to fork out a plugged culvert, told me "the Dept". Exists to make Timber $ , not to help us sportsmen or animals.

I dont know but he was mad that Day ... Said he went to school to work with live trees, not dead ones from beaver.


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Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: 330-Trapper] #7121492
01/05/21 10:42 AM
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Let me start off by saying that I am not in favor of eradicating wolves but I do think that they need to be managed, like any resource. I think that the biggest issue is that most of the people involved in the decision and in forming public opinion on the matter have never seen a wolf track in the wild, let alone a wolf. They only know what they feel in their heart about what makes them feel good, not what the science says or what the numbers say.

My personal belief is that the only way the opinion of those in the metro will change (and that will force the DNR's hand) is for them to experience wolves first hand. They want wolves restored to their entire historic and I think that we should start with a reintroduction plan to get them back into the regional parks in the 7 county metro area.

Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: 330-Trapper] #7121511
01/05/21 11:03 AM
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Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: 330-Trapper] #7121548
01/05/21 11:36 AM
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If I read it correctly, wolves can be shot on sight in zone B if they are on your property? No imminent threat required.

Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: 330-Trapper] #7121549
01/05/21 11:36 AM
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Until we have a governor with a real brain we will not be able to manage our wolves.

Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: Osky] #7121654
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Originally Posted by Osky
From personal experience I have dealt with MNís head of the bear department in particular as have other members here. If he has his way the hunt will end. He has become anti bear hunting and the changes in his outputs show it. Iíll have no more discussions with that department nor share info. Iíll not be made a fool of.
His mindset spreads, if the premier game animal in the state is off limits, the rest will fall easily. Once the DNR finds a conciliatory money source for deer hunting and fishing those too will go.

It wasnít what 6 months ago an impartial commission was put together to study the future of the delisted wolves in MN. Many of us here who saw the list of participants foresaw this exact outcome. At a time when the DNR is crying for money and continually raising fees across the board it wasted resources on this dog and pony show. Again, Iíll not be made a fool of anymore.

Osky



Friend's in Northern, Minnesota had the worst hunting season they've had in 50 years and he said wolves and black bear decimated the whitetail population. He said the bears were a lot of it.


Very interesting. No bear season doesn't bode well for whitetails.

Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: trapperinfo] #7121660
01/05/21 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by trapperinfo
Originally Posted by Osky
From personal experience I have dealt with MNís head of the bear department in particular as have other members here. If he has his way the hunt will end. He has become anti bear hunting and the changes in his outputs show it. Iíll have no more discussions with that department nor share info. Iíll not be made a fool of.
His mindset spreads, if the premier game animal in the state is off limits, the rest will fall easily. Once the DNR finds a conciliatory money source for deer hunting and fishing those too will go.

It wasnít what 6 months ago an impartial commission was put together to study the future of the delisted wolves in MN. Many of us here who saw the list of participants foresaw this exact outcome. At a time when the DNR is crying for money and continually raising fees across the board it wasted resources on this dog and pony show. Again, Iíll not be made a fool of anymore.

Osky



Friend's in Northern, Minnesota had the worst hunting season they've had in 50 years and he said wolves and black bear decimated the whitetail population. He said the bears were a lot of it.


Very interesting. No bear season doesn't bode well for whitetails.



The wolves are killing more and more bears too.

Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: BernieB.] #7121719
01/05/21 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BernieB.
Until we have a governor with a real brain we will not be able to manage our wolves.

And an impartial DNR head, with a Real Hunting background.

Seems impossible...as positions are being filled with degrees over all else.

Even Science takes a back seat


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Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: tlguy] #7121747
01/05/21 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tlguy
Ha 2,700 wolves! Good one.

Exactly! Over 20 years ago, I attended a DNR meeting where they estimated there were around 3500 wolves in MN. The wolves have gone practically undisturbed since and they say there are only 2700 now??? This is an insult to the average person's intelligence.


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Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: trapperinfo] #7121797
01/05/21 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by trapperinfo
Originally Posted by Osky
From personal experience I have dealt with MNís head of the bear department in particular as have other members here. If he has his way the hunt will end. He has become anti bear hunting and the changes in his outputs show it. Iíll have no more discussions with that department nor share info. Iíll not be made a fool of.
His mindset spreads, if the premier game animal in the state is off limits, the rest will fall easily. Once the DNR finds a conciliatory money source for deer hunting and fishing those too will go.

It wasnít what 6 months ago an impartial commission was put together to study the future of the delisted wolves in MN. Many of us here who saw the list of participants foresaw this exact outcome. At a time when the DNR is crying for money and continually raising fees across the board it wasted resources on this dog and pony show. Again, Iíll not be made a fool of anymore.

Osky



Friend's in Northern, Minnesota had the worst hunting season they've had in 50 years and he said wolves and black bear decimated the whitetail population. He said the bears were a lot of it.


Very interesting. No bear season doesn't bode well for whitetails.


I do not know if Bucksnbears has told his story here about what he saw this spring pertaining to bears hunting fawns but if you ask him to Iím sure he will. A terrific happening that he witnessed up close and personal.
Bucks??

Osky


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Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: 330-Trapper] #7121836
01/05/21 03:59 PM
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Part of our problem in Minnesota is our Lt governor Flanigan. She's part Chippewa and they believe wolves are relatives. And since gov Walz couldnt care less about hunting or trapping, he's likely to honor her beliefs and do what he can to not have a wolf season any time soon. And since he's a liberal, emotions come before science on outdoor issues. Our DNR has become an absolute joke. To say we only have 2500 wolves is an insult to intelligence. They said we had that many back in the mid 90's, and anybody that spends any time in the outdoors knows there are FAR more wolves now than back than 25 years ago and its not even close.

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Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: 330-Trapper] #7121838
01/05/21 04:02 PM
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Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: 330-Trapper] #7121862
01/05/21 04:31 PM
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Letís not forget Bobcats. I think those spindly little fawns are hi on the feline menu in the spring.

We have been told there are x amount of wolves in the state that MUST not be molested in any way because they are barely hanging on by their canines. Somehow in all that scarcity and endangerment theyíve spread across this state, into dakotas, and Iowa. Wisconsin as well. Whoís been in charge of counting the population, the Dominion outfit?
This decision was the cowards way out. Rather than have trappers and hunters help out in the B areas they put forth their goofy rules for landowners, and then confiscate the hide. To prevent a ďhuntingĒ misperception.
They need controlling period. Not extermination, control. Call it what it is.
This sacred crap. Native males had all kinds of clicks within the village. They named them after animals. Over time certain animal named clicks Weíre in charge of certain dutyís of daily lives. Some were the guards of the village, some were in charge of finding game, some were in charge of the moving of the village etc. Groups generally had some sort of totems or artifacts related to the animal. Itís as simple as that. Worship them maybe, but donít think for a minute they wouldnít kill them.
Look at the old pictures from the 1800ís and authentic sketches and paintings. Read the journals. Indians wore whatever fur they could harvest.
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Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: Osky] #7122251
01/05/21 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Osky
From personal experience I have dealt with MNís head of the bear department in particular as have other members here. If he has his way the hunt will end. He has become anti bear hunting and the changes in his outputs show it. Iíll have no more discussions with that department nor share info. Iíll not be made a fool of.
His mindset spreads, if the premier game animal in the state is off limits, the rest will fall easily. Once the DNR finds a conciliatory money source for deer hunting and fishing those too will go.

It wasnít what 6 months ago an impartial commission was put together to study the future of the delisted wolves in MN. Many of us here who saw the list of participants foresaw this exact outcome. At a time when the DNR is crying for money and continually raising fees across the board it wasted resources on this dog and pony show. Again, Iíll not be made a fool of anymore.

Osky


Mind boggling we had a perfectly good management plan in placed, developed under a Democrat governor no less. This nitwit decides we need another, only one reason why. Is it wrong of me to want Dayton back? lol.

Osky, is it time to move yet?

Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: 330-Trapper] #7122270
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Almost time to move!


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Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: 330-Trapper] #7122291
01/05/21 08:23 PM
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I'm heading to SD as soon as I can make it work. The people running this state are so far removed from reality, I can't believe it.


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Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: 330-Trapper] #7122308
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Keck, didn't you come from there?

Re: Minnesota dosent have it figured out [Re: Rat Masterson] #7122333
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Keck, didn't you come from there?

Close, I came from Nebraska. My retirement stop is SD, however.


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