The 12th. Amendment explained..
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For all here to understand what may happen soon. This is byway of our Constitution. Like the Congress seems to hardly follow it!
Americans vote for a President every four years, but did you know that it is the Electoral College that actually elects the President? The Electoral College is made up of representatives from each state and Washington DC and the biggest states will have more representatives, which we call “electors.”
These electors will give all of their votes to the Presidential candidate that wins the popular vote in each state.
The popular vote is to the total number of people that vote for each candidate. If this system seems strange to you, then you would be correct, the Electoral College is unique to the United States.
The history of the Electoral College dates back to colonial times before the thirteen colonies and earliest states became the United States. Back then, each state acted as its own country, printing money and having its own army.
Therefore, when these states did become one country, it made sense to have the states send representatives to a convention to choose the President, based on who the voters in each state liked.
After all, the President did not have as much power then as he does today. Although many people want to get rid of the Electoral College, some people fear that small states will get overwhelmed by big states in popular voting. With the Electoral College, every state, even the tiny ones, get at least three representatives in the Electoral College.
This means that every state, no matter how small, at least has some say in picking our next President.
Now, we turn our attention to the 12th amendment. Did you know that our 2nd President, John Adams, had a Vice President from the other political party? That would never happen today, thanks to the 12th amendment.
Before the 12th amendment, every candidate running for President ran for President by himself, regardless of a political party. The electors would pick two of these candidates, one for President and one for Vice President.
The way those electors voted was up to the states, so you can see how the system was confusing. The electors did not have to pay attention to the popular vote.
Since communication in the 18th century was very slow, other electors from other states could not coordinate with each other to pick the Vice President with the second vote they were allowed.
Therefore, when the votes were tallied in the election of 1796, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson received the most electoral votes, and the man that was supposed to be Vice President, Thomas Pinckney, who was part of the same party as Adams came in third.
By the laws of the United States, those that won the top two electoral vote totals would be President and Vice President.
This result and another confusing election in 1800 led to the 12th amendment in 1804. The most important part of the 12th amendment is that instead of casting two votes for President, each elector must pick a President AND a Vice President on his or her ballot.
This ensures that the President will be paired with his running mate after the election. This has been the way we have operated the Electoral College since 1804.
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"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction." "After the first shot, all plans go out the window!"
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Re: The 12th. Amendment explained..
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We need to do it by county. Every county gets one electoral vote. We dont need to have actual human electors. Anybody wanting an amendment to change the way its done now will only have my support if its done that way. Then a corrupted vote in a few big cities probably wont change anything.
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Re: The 12th. Amendment explained..
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For all here to understand what may happen soon. This is byway of our Constitution. Like the Congress seems to hardly follow it!
Americans vote for a President every four years, but did you know that it is the Electoral College that actually elects the President? The Electoral College is made up of representatives from each state and Washington DC and the biggest states will have more representatives, which we call “electors.”
These electors will give all of their votes to the Presidential candidate that wins the popular vote in each state.
The popular vote is to the total number of people that vote for each candidate. If this system seems strange to you, then you would be correct, the Electoral College is unique to the United States.
The history of the Electoral College dates back to colonial times before the thirteen colonies and earliest states became the United States. Back then, each state acted as its own country, printing money and having its own army.
Therefore, when these states did become one country, it made sense to have the states send representatives to a convention to choose the President, based on who the voters in each state liked.
After all, the President did not have as much power then as he does today. Although many people want to get rid of the Electoral College, some people fear that small states will get overwhelmed by big states in popular voting. With the Electoral College, every state, even the tiny ones, get at least three representatives in the Electoral College.
This means that every state, no matter how small, at least has some say in picking our next President.
Now, we turn our attention to the 12th amendment. Did you know that our 2nd President, John Adams, had a Vice President from the other political party? That would never happen today, thanks to the 12th amendment.
Before the 12th amendment, every candidate running for President ran for President by himself, regardless of a political party. The electors would pick two of these candidates, one for President and one for Vice President.
The way those electors voted was up to the states, so you can see how the system was confusing. The electors did not have to pay attention to the popular vote.
Since communication in the 18th century was very slow, other electors from other states could not coordinate with each other to pick the Vice President with the second vote they were allowed.
Therefore, when the votes were tallied in the election of 1796, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson received the most electoral votes, and the man that was supposed to be Vice President, Thomas Pinckney, who was part of the same party as Adams came in third.
By the laws of the United States, those that won the top two electoral vote totals would be President and Vice President.
This result and another confusing election in 1800 led to the 12th amendment in 1804. The most important part of the 12th amendment is that instead of casting two votes for President, each elector must pick a President AND a Vice President on his or her ballot.
This ensures that the President will be paired with his running mate after the election. This has been the way we have operated the Electoral College since 1804. https://www.chrisdunnconsulting.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Dead-horse-theory.jpg
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Re: The 12th. Amendment explained..
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01/04/21 07:39 PM
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We need to do it by county. Every county gets one electoral vote. We dont need to have actual human electors. Anybody wanting an amendment to change the way its done now will only have my support if its done that way. Then a corrupted vote in a few big cities probably wont change anything. Watch New York City, Chicago, Atlanta, Los Angeles, San Francisco get split into 1500 little counties.
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Re: The 12th. Amendment explained..
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Wednesday will tell the story of whether the Congress has guts enough to abide by the Constitution. Its not a "Dead Horse". Only the dead that don't want to rile the waters of Democracy.
Those who wish to have us leave it alone are bound to see it again and again of lopsided voting in the future. "Oh, don't push ahead"! Fear of winning and being able to handle the win.
Can you imagine the D-Day assault on Normandy and Omaha beach that first wave. Then the real bravery came when the 2nd., 3rd. and 4th. wave came in seeing their brothers in arms lying there. But landed anyway.
So don't push the envelope and challenge the votes. Even when there was video and 1000 sworn affidavits stating the cheating. I guess if you don't look then there is "NO PROOF"!
Good on you Georgia.
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Re: The 12th. Amendment explained..
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I have my hopes up for Georgia and the entire US. I think that a large percentage of Americans today do not want to live in a Communist/Socialist society. Those that do would love to see us renamed. USSA, United Socialist States of America.
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"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction." "After the first shot, all plans go out the window!"
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Re: The 12th. Amendment explained..
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I believe appointing a commission to review the voting issue. Thats a "DEAD ISSUE" with appointments. They take forever.
Vietnam--1967 46th. Const./Combat Engineers
"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction." "After the first shot, all plans go out the window!"
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Re: The 12th. Amendment explained..
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We need to do it by county. Every county gets one electoral vote. We dont need to have actual human electors. Anybody wanting an amendment to change the way its done now will only have my support if its done that way. Then a corrupted vote in a few big cities probably wont change anything. Watch New York City, Chicago, Atlanta, Los Angeles, San Francisco get split into 1500 little counties. That's why i always supported votes by square mile.
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Re: The 12th. Amendment explained..
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The states should have there own electoral college so the people in the state can be fairly represented.
No matter where you go there you are.
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