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For all you plumbing folks I am in the market for a pex tool for future plumbing repairs and for running new plumbing. I went to the hardware store today and discovered there are solid copper rings and split steel rings and it appears and different tool for each type. Which is better and why? And what kind of tool would you recommend? Thanks

Re: Pex plumbing [Re: Michael Lippold] #7121924
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I use both and don't really have a preference other than the tool for the stainless rings is smaller and easier to get into small spaces. But you can also use a pair of front cutting pliers to close them and they are a lot cheaper that the pet tool.


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Re: Pex plumbing [Re: Michael Lippold] #7121927
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The clamp type rings are best. Get the ratcheting crimper. You can’t get it into tighter spots then the bigger crush ring type. I done my whole house in pex. You won’t regret it. I bought the Apollo tool. It has a led light on it to let you know you’ve reached the right crimp.


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Re: Pex plumbing [Re: Michael Lippold] #7121932
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I use mostly the stainless rings and end cutting pliers to crimp them -- but then again I'm a farmer wanna be. Did I mention that I was cheap too?

Re: Pex plumbing [Re: Michael Lippold] #7121990
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Go with expansion fittings instead of any crimp type fittings,if you can
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Here's the tool [Linked Image]
The fittings have a bigger inner diameter than crimp fittings, so you'll get more flow, plus there's no chance of a dry fit (forgetting to clamp) and they handle freezing much better. Pex wants to return to it's natural shape, so expansion fittings work with the pex, crimp fittings work against it.

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Cut out the tools altogether and pony up for the shark bite fittings. Best plumbing decision I ever made, so easy it’s stupid. Plus the have a tool you can take the sharkbite fittings off with, so if you make a mistake or need to replace a 90 with a tee then you can just pop the fitting off and reuse it. They are more expensive, but in my opinion worth every penny.


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Re: Pex plumbing [Re: Michael Lippold] #7122206
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expansion tool is best...get the cordless one and be done


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Re: Pex plumbing [Re: keets] #7122216
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Originally Posted by keets
expansion tool is best...get the cordless one and be done

I would have loved that, it would have made it a lot easier I. Tight places. I just couldn't justify the cost for doing just my house. I just had to be clever about it. If I had a spot the tool wouldn't fit, I had to put the fitting on the end of the pipe before I ran it, or run the pipe a couple feet too long,and the pull the excess back once I had the fitting on. Not too bad though. I think the fittings look pretty beat, too. Mechanical artwork.
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Re: Pex plumbing [Re: Michael Lippold] #7122436
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The expansion tool looks like my next investment. I always hated taking a 3/4 pipe to 1/2 by adding any fitting. As far as using all shark bites I think you had part right Bob, it is easy but it IS stupid also. I use shark bites only when I have to. Even though they get great reviews on functionality the cost is the stupid part of it.


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Re: Pex plumbing [Re: Michael Lippold] #7122465
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Thanks everyone for your responses

What do you guys mean by front cutting pliers?

H20 I understand what you mean, I’m just a farm boy trying to make ends meet! I’ve been known to take the cheap route in the past and that has come back to cost me more so I’m slowly getting around to buying better tools and fixing things right instead of cobbling!

Loose goose I’ve never seen things done that way before

Bob I’ve used lots of shark bite fittings for repairs in the pst in fact I used one tonight to replace a valve under my sink. But a guy couldn’t afford to do big plumbing jobs with all shark bites!
But I do think they are a genius invention!

Re: Pex plumbing [Re: Michael Lippold] #7122736
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I bought the crimp tool that does 1/2 and 3/4. I needed to do some plumbing and after figuring how much each route cost I could buy the crimper as well as the pex tube for the same price as running copper tube sweat fittings. Best investment I made to date.


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Re: Pex plumbing [Re: Michael Lippold] #7122744
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[Linked Image]

This here. Run big enough lines and forget about losing flow. Crimps all sizes of
that style.

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Re: Pex plumbing [Re: Michael Lippold] #7122769
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I replaced ALL the water lines in my house with pex 2 1/2 years ago. I used the tool in the picture. Had not a single problem or leak. I got done putting it in, turned the water back on, everything has been no problem. One thing I liked was I could use different colors. Blue for cold and everything out of the water heater is red. Its not that pricey and easy to do.


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My picture Danny? grin grin

Re: Pex plumbing [Re: Michael Lippold] #7122780
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Yes your picture furstroker

The manager of a local do it yourself store recommended that one. I forget what its called.

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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Yes your picture furstroker

Nice. Yeah, its worked great for me as well. Ive done up to 1" with
those fittings without an issue.

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Re: Pex plumbing [Re: Michael Lippold] #7122825
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I too prefer the stainless pinch rings over the crimp press rings. But the expansion tool is the way to go. My plumbing store here (Ferguson) has loaner tools if you buy your materials there. To use expansion fittings you have to use the right type of pex. Can't remember if it's type A or B, but the cheap stuff Depot sells here isn't compatible with expansion.

Bob, Sharkbites have their place but 2 issues: First is cost. With a little practice crimp fittings are just as fast as sharkbites and way cheaper. 2nd is code: Sharkbites are illegal inside walls in some states. Only allowed where accessible. Something to check.


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Re: Pex plumbing [Re: Michael Lippold] #7122841
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Furstroker what is that tools name?

Did my whole place in 3/4 to 1/2 pex.
Great except the pressure at shower and sink.
I plan a redo of some larger tube, another bladder tank,
and I have an extra pump but not sure it's needed.
Though the ejector is suspect.

Somethings not right, plenty pressure from garden hose connected near tank
but further on pressure sucks.
A volume thing perhaps.

I'd hire someone if I found that guy.





Re: Pex plumbing [Re: Michael Lippold] #7122850
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Sounds like you have a restriction. Some of the new shower heads suck. They come with a restricter installed. I can pee more water then the new showers put out. Sinks have a screen in them that can clog as well.


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Re: Pex plumbing [Re: Michael Lippold] #7122854
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The more I think on it,
there is a section of old cpvc 3/4 near pump and tank that may be restricted.
It is the lowest part in system.
Warmer weather and I'll tear into it.
Keep fixing until good and broke lol.





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