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Muskrat Grading #7123591
01/06/21 03:48 PM
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Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7123871
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Did I miss why they want wire over wood?

Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: 080808] #7123992
01/06/21 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 080808
Did I miss why they want wire over wood?


They never said why they favor trappers using wire over wood.

Just a personal preference of Groenewold, I suspect.

NYS In-Country fur buyers all want wire as well.

Seen it several times at the NYS auctions where
bidders won't pay nearly as much for wood stretched rats
as those on wire.

All other things being equal, they want wire stretched rats.

I'd say end users want wire over wood as well.

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Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7124021
01/06/21 07:48 PM
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And please explain why that Is.


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Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7124048
01/06/21 08:00 PM
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Simple put: The industry created sizes with wire stretched rats. Wood allows a stretch advantage to the producer that doesn’t maintain itself through the dress.

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Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7124064
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Coons stretched on wood shrink more than coons on wire also.


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Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7124127
01/06/21 08:35 PM
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They can ship more wire stretched rats to CHINA, they are thinner.

Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7124145
01/06/21 08:42 PM
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Probably more to do with the thickness of the dried pelt. the volume of each pelt doubling makes a big difference when shipping overseas.

Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7124238
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According to the video, why does pinning on the skirt have anything to do either the grade?

Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7124266
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Make Wire Great Again!!!!

Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: BvrRetriever] #7124278
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Originally Posted by BvrRetriever
According to the video, why does pinning on the skirt have anything to do either the grade?



Thats what I was wondering.

Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7124370
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You get more length with a wooden stretcher than wire, that is a fact.

Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: BvrRetriever] #7124421
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Originally Posted by BvrRetriever
According to the video, why does pinning on the skirt have anything to do either the grade?


When they are blocking they have to cut all those pin holes off the hide, just another expense, would be my guess

Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: Northof50] #7124460
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Originally Posted by Northof50
Originally Posted by BvrRetriever
According to the video, why does pinning on the skirt have anything to do either the grade?


When they are blocking they have to cut all those pin holes off the hide, just another expense, would be my guess


They are pin holes. You really can't see them from the fur side. Unless they are every 2mm it won't weaken the leather. You use pins to block pelts.


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Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7124509
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Advantage to producer money wise. Disadvantage to buyer money wise. Depends on which side of the money fence you are on. Simple. MD

Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: Dirt] #7124532
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When they are blocking they have to cut all those pin holes off the hide, just another expense, would be my guess
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They are pin holes. You really can't see them from the fur side. Unless they are every 2mm it won't weaken the leather. You use pins to block pelts.[/quote]

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Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: Northof50] #7124757
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Obviously different buyers and brokers have garnered different markets. A couple places I have sold to never told me to quit using wood or not to bring them to them if I used wood. Also pin holes to me are not anymore of an issue then the clothes pin marks that many have trying to keep the hips down on their rats on wire. If you are blocking out the belly plate from the backs they are cutting the pelts anyway.

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Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7124759
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Cant believe guys are trapping for that kind of money??

Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7124842
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When I sold to Groenewold in November (Guy was buyer) I was told to use wire. The reason he told me was because they stack better. All this did was P__ me off because years age I used wire and Groenewold was the one who convinced me to use wood. I made my mind up instantly that I'm done with them. If the pin holes are an issue then what about the teats on females. Not much difference there.

Re: Muskrat Grading [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7124863
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Stack better? In the baler? Muskrats are all about size. Quality is only a bonus for the middleman.

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